Journalists freed

[OTD]

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korean media say leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two American journalists and ordered their release during the visit of former U.S. President Bill Clinton.

 

[Football_Bat]

That's good news.

 

[spnited]

covered on the original thread on the J-board

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/70529/


Again, nice work by Bill Clinton. Too bad the Bushies never learned how to negotiate anythning.

 

[OTD]

covered on the poriginal thread on the J-board

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/70529/


Again, nice work by Bill Clinton. Too bad the Bushies never learned how to negitiate anythning.

This seemed more like breaking news to me, but mods, feel free to merge or delete if you like.

 

[spnited]

I agree with you, OTD.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Great news. Good for Bill.

 

[Johnny Dangerously]

Fantastic news. A reason to be thankful.

 

[zeke12]

Great news.

And nice work, Bubba.

 

[Cousin Oliver]

Wow! That was pretty damn fast. I know NK's probably only doing it for good pub, or whatever, but who cares. Great, great news.

 

[DanOregon]

The music of "Enter Sandman" came to my mind when I saw Clinton coming off the plane. The guy might be the best political closer of all-time.

 

[BYH]

I look forward to reading what kind of negative spin SportsJournalists.com Hick Nation can put on Clinton freeing journalists.

 

[Drip]

Bill Clinton is THE man. I don't care what he did in the oval office, he's still proving he's THE man!

 

[OTD]

I look forward to reading what kind of negative spin SportsJournalists.com Hick Nation can put on Clinton freeing journalists.

Well, if they're on John Bolton's mailing list, it'll sound something like this:

"It comes perilously close to negotiating with terrorists," Bolton told AFP when asked about Bill Clinton's trip to secure the release of journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee.

The pair were sentenced in June to 12 years in a labor camp for an illegal border crossing and an unspecified "grave crime," after they were detained by North Korean border guards on March 17 while working on a story.

"I think this is a very bad signal because it does exactly what we always try and avoid doing with terrorists, or with rogue states in general, and that's encouraging their bad behavior," Bolton said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHj0rARiWVv4Jwy1z9FP9AHkYYvw

 

[BNWriter]

High time!! Thank you, Mr. Clinton!!!

 

[Guy_Incognito]

I look forward to reading what kind of negative spin SportsJournalists.com Hick Nation can put on Clinton freeing journalists.

Well, if they're on John Bolton's mailing list, it'll sound something like this:

"It comes perilously close to negotiating with terrorists," Bolton told AFP when asked about Bill Clinton's trip to secure the release of journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee.

The pair were sentenced in June to 12 years in a labor camp for an illegal border crossing and an unspecified "grave crime," after they were detained by North Korean border guards on March 17 while working on a story.

"I think this is a very bad signal because it does exactly what we always try and avoid doing with terrorists, or with rogue states in general, and that's encouraging their bad behavior," Bolton said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHj0rARiWVv4Jwy1z9FP9AHkYYvw

You're making it sound like he said that after the release, which I think is inaccurate. For the most part, I think Bolton's approach is correct, and would trust his instincts over Clinton's any day. Today, Clinton's worked, and these people are free because of it. Neither approach is perfect- if it was, no one would disagree. The Giants took 3 of 4 from the Phillies this weekend. Does it mean they are better? No. And if they would play 100 games, I bet Philly would win most of them, but over the last 4 days, SF was better. You tip your cap, & acknowledge the fine work.

Edit - I apologize - he reiterated after the release that it was an unwise move. Made some very fair points IMO. I stand by the rest of what I wrote.

 

[OTD]

I look forward to reading what kind of negative spin SportsJournalists.com Hick Nation can put on Clinton freeing journalists.

Well, if they're on John Bolton's mailing list, it'll sound something like this:

"It comes perilously close to negotiating with terrorists," Bolton told AFP when asked about Bill Clinton's trip to secure the release of journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee.

The pair were sentenced in June to 12 years in a labor camp for an illegal border crossing and an unspecified "grave crime," after they were detained by North Korean border guards on March 17 while working on a story.

"I think this is a very bad signal because it does exactly what we always try and avoid doing with terrorists, or with rogue states in general, and that's encouraging their bad behavior," Bolton said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHj0rARiWVv4Jwy1z9FP9AHkYYvw

You're making it sound like he said that after the release, which I think is inaccurate. For the most part, I think Bolton's approach is correct, and would trust his instincts over Clinton's any day. Today, Clinton's worked, and these people are free because of it. Neither approach is perfect- if it was, no one would disagree. The Giants took 3 of 4 from the Phillies this weekend. Does it mean they are better? No. And if they would play 100 games, I bet Philly would win most of them, but over the last 4 days, SF was better. You tip your cap, & acknowledge the fine work.

He did say it before the release. However, Bolton is well-informed enough to know that Clinton went there knowing that the women would be released if he did.

We used Bolton's approach for eight years, and it didn't work that well. Did North Korea become more or less stable during Bush's term?

 

[Guy_Incognito]

I look forward to reading what kind of negative spin SportsJournalists.com Hick Nation can put on Clinton freeing journalists.

Well, if they're on John Bolton's mailing list, it'll sound something like this:

"It comes perilously close to negotiating with terrorists," Bolton told AFP when asked about Bill Clinton's trip to secure the release of journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee.

The pair were sentenced in June to 12 years in a labor camp for an illegal border crossing and an unspecified "grave crime," after they were detained by North Korean border guards on March 17 while working on a story.

"I think this is a very bad signal because it does exactly what we always try and avoid doing with terrorists, or with rogue states in general, and that's encouraging their bad behavior," Bolton said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHj0rARiWVv4Jwy1z9FP9AHkYYvw

You're making it sound like he said that after the release, which I think is inaccurate. For the most part, I think Bolton's approach is correct, and would trust his instincts over Clinton's any day. Today, Clinton's worked, and these people are free because of it. Neither approach is perfect- if it was, no one would disagree. The Giants took 3 of 4 from the Phillies this weekend. Does it mean they are better? No. And if they would play 100 games, I bet Philly would win most of them, but over the last 4 days, SF was better. You tip your cap, & acknowledge the fine work.

He did say it before the release. However, Bolton is well-informed enough to know that Clinton went there knowing that the women would be released if he did.

We used Bolton's approach for eight years, and it didn't work that well. Did North Korea become more or less stable during Bush's term?

I ask you the same question about Clinton's 8. What did we get for Albright's dances? an agreement that he ignored before the ink dried.

 

[OTD]

I look forward to reading what kind of negative spin SportsJournalists.com Hick Nation can put on Clinton freeing journalists.

Well, if they're on John Bolton's mailing list, it'll sound something like this:

"It comes perilously close to negotiating with terrorists," Bolton told AFP when asked about Bill Clinton's trip to secure the release of journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee.

The pair were sentenced in June to 12 years in a labor camp for an illegal border crossing and an unspecified "grave crime," after they were detained by North Korean border guards on March 17 while working on a story.

"I think this is a very bad signal because it does exactly what we always try and avoid doing with terrorists, or with rogue states in general, and that's encouraging their bad behavior," Bolton said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHj0rARiWVv4Jwy1z9FP9AHkYYvw

You're making it sound like he said that after the release, which I think is inaccurate. For the most part, I think Bolton's approach is correct, and would trust his instincts over Clinton's any day. Today, Clinton's worked, and these people are free because of it. Neither approach is perfect- if it was, no one would disagree. The Giants took 3 of 4 from the Phillies this weekend. Does it mean they are better? No. And if they would play 100 games, I bet Philly would win most of them, but over the last 4 days, SF was better. You tip your cap, & acknowledge the fine work.

He did say it before the release. However, Bolton is well-informed enough to know that Clinton went there knowing that the women would be released if he did.

We used Bolton's approach for eight years, and it didn't work that well. Did North Korea become more or less stable during Bush's term?

I ask you the same question about Clinton's 8. What did we get for Albright's dances? an agreement that he ignored before the ink dried.

At least they weren't firing missiles then.

Look, I'm aware that the North Koreans aren't likely to join Barack and Joe for a south lawn beer anytime soon. But isolating them won't work. They're as isolated as any nation can be in this time, and they're still acting out. So we send Clinton over there, and the two women are freed and maybe--a long shot perhaps--but maybe they'll start dealing.

John Bolton's isolation/bomb them into the stone age technique won't work. They're already in the stone age.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

I look forward to reading what kind of negative spin SportsJournalists.com Hick Nation can put on Clinton freeing journalists.

Well, if they're on John Bolton's mailing list, it'll sound something like this:

"It comes perilously close to negotiating with terrorists," Bolton told AFP when asked about Bill Clinton's trip to secure the release of journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee.

The pair were sentenced in June to 12 years in a labor camp for an illegal border crossing and an unspecified "grave crime," after they were detained by North Korean border guards on March 17 while working on a story.

"I think this is a very bad signal because it does exactly what we always try and avoid doing with terrorists, or with rogue states in general, and that's encouraging their bad behavior," Bolton said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHj0rARiWVv4Jwy1z9FP9AHkYYvw

You're making it sound like he said that after the release, which I think is inaccurate. For the most part, I think Bolton's approach is correct, and would trust his instincts over Clinton's any day. Today, Clinton's worked, and these people are free because of it. Neither approach is perfect- if it was, no one would disagree. The Giants took 3 of 4 from the Phillies this weekend. Does it mean they are better? No. And if they would play 100 games, I bet Philly would win most of them, but over the last 4 days, SF was better. You tip your cap, & acknowledge the fine work.

He did say it before the release. However, Bolton is well-informed enough to know that Clinton went there knowing that the women would be released if he did.

We used Bolton's approach for eight years, and it didn't work that well. Did North Korea become more or less stable during Bush's term?

I ask you the same question about Clinton's 8. What did we get for Albright's dances? an agreement that he ignored before the ink dried.

At least they weren't firing missiles then.

Look, I'm aware that the North Koreans aren't likely to join Barack and Joe for a south lawn beer anytime soon. But isolating them won't work. They're as isolated as any nation can be in this time, and they're still acting out. So we send Clinton over there, and the two women are freed and maybe--a long shot perhaps--but maybe they'll start dealing.

John Bolton's isolation/bomb them into the stone age technique won't work. They're already in the stone age.

The Bolton approach would ideally start at the beginning. Now that they are this far down the nuclear road, neither approach is likely to have a high degree of success, but there's still arguments in both directions, as well as an idealistic sense of right and wrong. Again, a big reason to invade Iraq was to stop them before they became unattackable like NK or Iran.

 

[OTD]

I look forward to reading what kind of negative spin SportsJournalists.com Hick Nation can put on Clinton freeing journalists.

Well, if they're on John Bolton's mailing list, it'll sound something like this:

"It comes perilously close to negotiating with terrorists," Bolton told AFP when asked about Bill Clinton's trip to secure the release of journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee.

The pair were sentenced in June to 12 years in a labor camp for an illegal border crossing and an unspecified "grave crime," after they were detained by North Korean border guards on March 17 while working on a story.

"I think this is a very bad signal because it does exactly what we always try and avoid doing with terrorists, or with rogue states in general, and that's encouraging their bad behavior," Bolton said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHj0rARiWVv4Jwy1z9FP9AHkYYvw

You're making it sound like he said that after the release, which I think is inaccurate. For the most part, I think Bolton's approach is correct, and would trust his instincts over Clinton's any day. Today, Clinton's worked, and these people are free because of it. Neither approach is perfect- if it was, no one would disagree. The Giants took 3 of 4 from the Phillies this weekend. Does it mean they are better? No. And if they would play 100 games, I bet Philly would win most of them, but over the last 4 days, SF was better. You tip your cap, & acknowledge the fine work.

He did say it before the release. However, Bolton is well-informed enough to know that Clinton went there knowing that the women would be released if he did.

We used Bolton's approach for eight years, and it didn't work that well. Did North Korea become more or less stable during Bush's term?

I ask you the same question about Clinton's 8. What did we get for Albright's dances? an agreement that he ignored before the ink dried.

At least they weren't firing missiles then.

Look, I'm aware that the North Koreans aren't likely to join Barack and Joe for a south lawn beer anytime soon. But isolating them won't work. They're as isolated as any nation can be in this time, and they're still acting out. So we send Clinton over there, and the two women are freed and maybe--a long shot perhaps--but maybe they'll start dealing.

John Bolton's isolation/bomb them into the stone age technique won't work. They're already in the stone age.

The Bolton approach would ideally start at the beginning. Now that they are this far down the nuclear road, neither approach is likely to have a high degree of success, but there's still arguments in both directions, as well as an idealistic sense of right and wrong. Again, a big reason to invade Iraq was to stop them before they became unattackable like NK or Iran.

I thought it was to get Bin Ladin. That's what my president told me, anyway.