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The Jets are obviously a joke of an organization.

But my experience in these situations is that fans and readers don't care how much access we get. If anything, they're more likely to take the side of the team.
 
spinning27 said:
The Jets are obviously a joke of an organization.

But my experience in these situations is that fans and readers don't care how much access we get.  If anything, they're more likely to take the side of the team. 

absolutely true. however, picking fights with the media can slant the coverage. if mangini's a ****, like belichick was in cleveland, the media will delight in jumping on him. fans follow what they read in the media, hear on talk shows, see on tv. so in that way, mangini's not helping himself. all the more since his team doesn't figure to be very good early on. a writer's take could become that it's early, be patient, he's building things the right way, or a writer's take could become, "this guy doesn't know what the heck he's doing."

belichick was victimized by human nature in cleveland. he was a **** and was treated accordingly. i fear the same for mangini, because the team won't be good enough for the n.y. media to tolerate putting up with an asshole.

the fact the jets' p.r. dept. couldn't convince mangini to lighten up a bit doesn't speak well of them or even gm tannenbaum. coughlin had to do most things the giants' way because the maras  and gm accorsi wouldn't let it be any other way. this isn't a good early sign for "tangini."
 
I'm sure they're saving all the good access for the team Website and the NFL Network.
 
shockey said:
spinning27 said:
The Jets are obviously a joke of an organization.

But my experience in these situations is that fans and readers don't care how much access we get.  If anything, they're more likely to take the side of the team. 

absolutely true. however, picking fights with the media can slant the coverage. if mangini's a ****, like belichick was in cleveland, the media will delight in jumping on him. fans follow what they read in the media, hear on talk shows, see on tv. so in that way, mangini's not helping himself. all the more since his team doesn't figure to be very good early on. a writer's take could become that it's early, be patient, he's building things the right way, or a writer's take could become, "this guy doesn't know what the heck he's doing."

belichick was victimized by human nature in cleveland. he was a **** and was treated accordingly. i fear the same for mangini, because the team won't be good enough for the n.y. media to tolerate putting up with an asshole.

the fact the jets' p.r. dept. couldn't convince mangini to lighten up a bit doesn't speak well of them or even gm tannenbaum. coughlin had to do most things the giants' way because the maras  and gm accorsi wouldn't let it be any other way. this isn't a good early sign for "tangini."

Shockey - you obvioulsy know New York media well. Once a player or coach draws that line in the sand of "Us vs them" they had better not make any false steps or they will never be let up for air.

The most recent example is Randy Johnson.

My favorite entry in New York was Rickey "Don't need no press now man" Henderson when he first signed with the Yankees.
 
shockey said:
spinning27 said:
The Jets are obviously a joke of an organization.

But my experience in these situations is that fans and readers don't care how much access we get.  If anything, they're more likely to take the side of the team. 

absolutely true. however, picking fights with the media can slant the coverage. if mangini's a ****, like belichick was in cleveland, the media will delight in jumping on him. fans follow what they read in the media, hear on talk shows, see on tv. so in that way, mangini's not helping himself. all the more since his team doesn't figure to be very good early on. a writer's take could become that it's early, be patient, he's building things the right way, or a writer's take could become, "this guy doesn't know what the heck he's doing."

belichick was victimized by human nature in cleveland. he was a **** and was treated accordingly. i fear the same for mangini, because the team won't be good enough for the n.y. media to tolerate putting up with an asshole.

the fact the jets' p.r. dept. couldn't convince mangini to lighten up a bit doesn't speak well of them or even gm tannenbaum. coughlin had to do most things the giants' way because the maras  and gm accorsi wouldn't let it be any other way. this isn't a good early sign for "tangini."

since dolphins writers have not chimed in....

This is exactly what Saban did at the start of camp last year to assert that the new regime was as much a polar opposite from the previous as possible.

Really, anything that has the Jets thinking this is NOT the Herman Edwards era should be a good thing.

Honestly, I can't believe a columnist didn't take that POV.
 
big difference between saban and mangini: saban was coming in as a savior-type, long sought by the nfl. mangini's a kid who's only claim to fame is being a belichick wannabe. doogie howser, h.c., as he's been dubbed, has zero head-coaching experience on the college or nfl level. that buys no one the benefit of the doubt. especially in n.y.

hey, maybe the kid will be the next don shula. but shula did it in a totally different era. mangini will be lucky to survive this experience. it's one thing to go through growing pains in cleveland, quite another in n.y.
 
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This whole charade has been more predictable than an episode of Perry Mason.

Jets hire Mangini, who struts in like he owns the place. In a shockingly Belichickian twist, access to stars is suddenly very limited (wait til the QB is only talking for 10 minutes once a week). NY Post writes a pissant story about it. Rinse, wash, repeat.

Just another example of how the Jets are the Mets of the NFL. Mets fire nice guy Art Howe, poach grumpy old ******* Willie Randolph from the championship-rich Yankees (love Willie getting surly when it's suggested to him the other day the Mets need pitching. The Mets need pitching like I need a ****ing boost of endurance). Jets allow phony nice guy Herm Edwards to leave, replace him with Belichick Jr. If you flopped, you may as well poach people from the teams who do it right.
 
shockey said:
big difference between saban and mangini: saban was coming in as a savior-type, long sought by the nfl. mangini's a kid who's only claim to fame is being a belichick wannabe. doogie howser, h.c., as he's been dubbed, has zero head-coaching experience on the college or nfl level. that buys no one the benefit of the doubt. especially in n.y.

hey, maybe the kid will be the next don shula. but shula did it in a totally different era. mangini will be lucky to survive this experience. it's one thing to go through growing pains in cleveland, quite another in n.y.

Sounds like the Jets finally have their very own Rich Kotite.

This whole thing reminds me of one of my favorite lines from West Wing:

"He's got the PR instincts of Idi Amin!"
 
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
Jets hire Mangini, who struts in like he owns the place. In a shockingly Belichickian twist, access to stars is suddenly very limited (wait til the QB is only talking for 10 minutes once a week).

It'll be a privilege to hear Chad pontificate on the state of Jet-dom...
 
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
Jets hire Mangini, who struts in like he owns the place. In a shockingly Belichickian twist, access to stars is suddenly very limited (wait til the QB is only talking for 10 minutes once a week).

It'll be a privilege to hear Chad pontificate on the state of Jet-dom...

Chad's going to start?

Actually, he might start the year at no. 1. But the arrogant ass will be on his, uhh, ass by week five.
 
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
Jets hire Mangini, who struts in like he owns the place. In a shockingly Belichickian twist, access to stars is suddenly very limited (wait til the QB is only talking for 10 minutes once a week).

It'll be a privilege to hear Chad pontificate on the state of Jet-dom...

Chad's going to start?

Actually, he might start the year at no. 1. But the arrogant ass will be on his, uhh, ass by week five.

From all accounts, Chad will be the defacto No. 1.

He's worked hard following shoulder surgery. According to reports, he can almost complete a 10-yard out. Patrick Ramsey has been hit-or-miss. The Jets are impressed with his arm strength, however his penchant for throwing the ball to guys wearing different colored jersey isn't seen as a positive. Rookie QB Kellen Clemens will sit and watch, as the Jets don't want him to be massacred before his time. The Jets, as a token of their appreciation for the job he did last year, gave Brooks Bollinger an all-expenses paid cab ride to the Nassau Coliseum, home of the Arena Football League's New York Dragons.
 
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
Jets hire Mangini, who struts in like he owns the place. In a shockingly Belichickian twist, access to stars is suddenly very limited (wait til the QB is only talking for 10 minutes once a week).

It'll be a privilege to hear Chad pontificate on the state of Jet-dom...

Chad's going to start?

Actually, he might start the year at no. 1. But the arrogant ass will be on his, uhh, ass by week five.

From all accounts, Chad will be the defacto No. 1.

He's worked hard following shoulder surgery. According to reports, he can almost complete a 10-yard out. Patrick Ramsey has been hit-or-miss. The Jets are impressed with his arm strength, however his penchant for throwing the ball to guys wearing different colored jersey isn't seen as a positive. Rookie QB Kellen Clemens will sit and watch, as the Jets don't want him to be massacred before his time. The Jets, as a token of their appreciation for the job he did last year, gave Brooks Bollinger an all-expenses paid cab ride to the Nassau Coliseum, home of the Arena Football League's New York Dragons.

Jets.. 3-13
 
This Is Pubic Tap said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
Jets hire Mangini, who struts in like he owns the place. In a shockingly Belichickian twist, access to stars is suddenly very limited (wait til the QB is only talking for 10 minutes once a week).

It'll be a privilege to hear Chad pontificate on the state of Jet-dom...

Chad's going to start?

Actually, he might start the year at no. 1. But the arrogant ass will be on his, uhh, ass by week five.

From all accounts, Chad will be the defacto No. 1.

He's worked hard following shoulder surgery. According to reports, he can almost complete a 10-yard out. Patrick Ramsey has been hit-or-miss. The Jets are impressed with his arm strength, however his penchant for throwing the ball to guys wearing different colored jersey isn't seen as a positive. Rookie QB Kellen Clemens will sit and watch, as the Jets don't want him to be massacred before his time. The Jets, as a token of their appreciation for the job he did last year, gave Brooks Bollinger an all-expenses paid cab ride to the Nassau Coliseum, home of the Arena Football League's New York Dragons.

Jets.. 3-13

Three wins? Ha! Who's pathetic enough to lose to this team? The Jets don't have a quarterback, a running back (Curtis Martin on the Physically Unable to Perform list), one wide receiver (Coles; McCariens is also on the Physically Unable to Perform list) and they're starting two rookies on the offensive line. Defensively, they're switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. So, there will be growing pains. John Abraham's gone, so Shawn Ellis and Jonathan Vilma are going to face double and triple-teams. The secondary is very young. All kidding aside, punter Ben Grahame might be the Jets' only Pro Bowler.

The 2006 New York Jets schedule:

Upcoming Games
Wk Date Opponent Time (ET) Coverage
1 Sun. Sep 10 @ Titans 1:00 p.m. ET
2 Sun. Sep 17 Patriots 4:15 p.m. ET
3 Sun. Sep 24 @ Bills 1:00 p.m. ET
4 Sun. Oct 1 Colts 1:00 p.m. ET
5 Sun. Oct 8 @ Jaguars 4:05 p.m. ET
6 Sun. Oct 15 Dolphins 4:15 p.m. ET
7 Sun. Oct 22 Lions 1:00 p.m. ET NFL on FOX
8 Sun. Oct 29 @ Browns 4:15 p.m. ET
10 Sun. Nov 12 @ Patriots 1:00 p.m. ET
11 Sun. Nov 19 Bears 1:00 p.m. ET NFL on FOX
12 Sun. Nov 26 Texans 1:00 p.m. ET
13 Sun. Dec 3 @ Packers 1:00 p.m. ET
14 Sun. Dec 10 Bills 1:00 p.m. ET
15 Sun. Dec 17 @ Vikings 1:00 p.m. ET
16 Mon. Dec 25 @ Dolphins 8:30 p.m. ET
17 Sun. Dec 31 Raiders 1:00 p.m. ET
 
I will be shocked if Pennington makes it to midseason as the starter. He's a holdover from the old regime (actually, he was selected two regimes ago) and he had a rep as the kissass teacher's pet. You know Mangini doesn't want anything to do with that. Plus, Mangini has kicked his ass six ways to Sunday the last few years with the Patriots. He knows his weaknesses, why would he want him lining up behind center?

****, if the Lions could go witih Charlie Batch in week three in 1998, the Jets sure could go with Kellen Clemens around the same time.

I don't think the Jets will finish with a worse record than last year, though. Just a hunch. They'll be god-awful in the first half and OK in the second...they'll win four or five games.
 
hockeybeat said:
This Is Pubic Tap said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
Jets hire Mangini, who struts in like he owns the place. In a shockingly Belichickian twist, access to stars is suddenly very limited (wait til the QB is only talking for 10 minutes once a week).

It'll be a privilege to hear Chad pontificate on the state of Jet-dom...

Chad's going to start?

Actually, he might start the year at no. 1. But the arrogant ass will be on his, uhh, ass by week five.

From all accounts, Chad will be the defacto No. 1.

He's worked hard following shoulder surgery. According to reports, he can almost complete a 10-yard out. Patrick Ramsey has been hit-or-miss. The Jets are impressed with his arm strength, however his penchant for throwing the ball to guys wearing different colored jersey isn't seen as a positive. Rookie QB Kellen Clemens will sit and watch, as the Jets don't want him to be massacred before his time. The Jets, as a token of their appreciation for the job he did last year, gave Brooks Bollinger an all-expenses paid cab ride to the Nassau Coliseum, home of the Arena Football League's New York Dragons.

Jets.. 3-13

Three wins? Ha! Who's pathetic enough to lose to this team?

(In order of probability) Home vs. Lions OR Bills OR Oakland OR Houston OR at Tennessee
 
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
I will be shocked if Pennington makes it to midseason as the starter. He's a holdover from the old regime (actually, he was selected two regimes ago) and he had a rep as the kissass teacher's pet. You know Mangini doesn't want anything to do with that. Plus, Mangini has kicked his ass six ways to Sunday the last few years with the Patriots. He knows his weaknesses, why would he want him lining up behind center?

****, if the Lions could go witih Charlie Batch in week three in 1998, the Jets sure could go with Kellen Clemens around the same time.

I don't think the Jets will finish with a worse record than last year, though. Just a hunch. They'll be god-awful in the first half and OK in the second...they'll win four or five games.

If Pennington is replace at any point this season, Patrick Ramsey gets the call. The only way Clemens plays is if Pennington, Ramsey, Bollinger, Vinny, Ken O'Brien, Namath, yours truly and Anthony from Ozone Park all go down with injuries.
 
This Is Pubic Tap said:
hockeybeat said:
This Is Pubic Tap said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
Jets hire Mangini, who struts in like he owns the place. In a shockingly Belichickian twist, access to stars is suddenly very limited (wait til the QB is only talking for 10 minutes once a week).

It'll be a privilege to hear Chad pontificate on the state of Jet-dom...

Chad's going to start?

Actually, he might start the year at no. 1. But the arrogant ass will be on his, uhh, ass by week five.

From all accounts, Chad will be the defacto No. 1.

He's worked hard following shoulder surgery. According to reports, he can almost complete a 10-yard out. Patrick Ramsey has been hit-or-miss. The Jets are impressed with his arm strength, however his penchant for throwing the ball to guys wearing different colored jersey isn't seen as a positive. Rookie QB Kellen Clemens will sit and watch, as the Jets don't want him to be massacred before his time. The Jets, as a token of their appreciation for the job he did last year, gave Brooks Bollinger an all-expenses paid cab ride to the Nassau Coliseum, home of the Arena Football League's New York Dragons.

Jets.. 3-13

Three wins? Ha! Who's pathetic enough to lose to this team?

(In order of probability) Home vs. Lions OR Bills OR Oakland OR Houston OR at Tennessee

Bills, Raiders, Lions and Texans all have more offensive talent than the Jets do. Those games should be losses. The season opener in Tennessee should be a win.
 
hockeybeat said:
This Is Pubic Tap said:
hockeybeat said:
This Is Pubic Tap said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
Jets hire Mangini, who struts in like he owns the place. In a shockingly Belichickian twist, access to stars is suddenly very limited (wait til the QB is only talking for 10 minutes once a week).

It'll be a privilege to hear Chad pontificate on the state of Jet-dom...

Chad's going to start?

Actually, he might start the year at no. 1. But the arrogant ass will be on his, uhh, ass by week five.

From all accounts, Chad will be the defacto No. 1.

He's worked hard following shoulder surgery. According to reports, he can almost complete a 10-yard out. Patrick Ramsey has been hit-or-miss. The Jets are impressed with his arm strength, however his penchant for throwing the ball to guys wearing different colored jersey isn't seen as a positive. Rookie QB Kellen Clemens will sit and watch, as the Jets don't want him to be massacred before his time. The Jets, as a token of their appreciation for the job he did last year, gave Brooks Bollinger an all-expenses paid cab ride to the Nassau Coliseum, home of the Arena Football League's New York Dragons.

Jets.. 3-13

Three wins? Ha! Who's pathetic enough to lose to this team?

(In order of probability) Home vs. Lions OR Bills OR Oakland OR Houston OR at Tennessee

Bills, Raiders, Lions and Texans all have more offensive talent than the Jets do. Those games should be losses. The season opener in Tennessee should be a win.

On neutral fields, I would agree with you.
 
This Is Pubic Tap said:
hockeybeat said:
This Is Pubic Tap said:
hockeybeat said:
This Is Pubic Tap said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
hockeybeat said:
EmbitteredNeuticles said:
Jets hire Mangini, who struts in like he owns the place. In a shockingly Belichickian twist, access to stars is suddenly very limited (wait til the QB is only talking for 10 minutes once a week).

It'll be a privilege to hear Chad pontificate on the state of Jet-dom...

Chad's going to start?

Actually, he might start the year at no. 1. But the arrogant ass will be on his, uhh, ass by week five.

From all accounts, Chad will be the defacto No. 1.

He's worked hard following shoulder surgery. According to reports, he can almost complete a 10-yard out. Patrick Ramsey has been hit-or-miss. The Jets are impressed with his arm strength, however his penchant for throwing the ball to guys wearing different colored jersey isn't seen as a positive. Rookie QB Kellen Clemens will sit and watch, as the Jets don't want him to be massacred before his time. The Jets, as a token of their appreciation for the job he did last year, gave Brooks Bollinger an all-expenses paid cab ride to the Nassau Coliseum, home of the Arena Football League's New York Dragons.

Jets.. 3-13

Three wins? Ha! Who's pathetic enough to lose to this team?

(In order of probability) Home vs. Lions OR Bills OR Oakland OR Houston OR at Tennessee

Bills, Raiders, Lions and Texans all have more offensive talent than the Jets do. Those games should be losses. The season opener in Tennessee should be a win.

On neutral fields, I would agree with you.

Have you been to Giants Stadium for Jets' games? Those fans know something bad will happen to the Jets. It's akin to being a Cubs fan or a Cleveland fan or a Boston Red Sox fan before 2004. It's the self-fulfilling prophecy. If you believe something bad is going to happen, it will.
 

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