Jefferies JFK film

[markvid]

If it never hit any bones, yes it would be in good shape.
And people forget Oswald was not a pellet gun shooter.
He was in top end of the Marines at the time.

If the bullet never hit bones, though, it wasn't going to change directions ...
As for Oswald, yes, he was an expert marksman by almost any account you can find, but three dead-on shots in the span of, what, 5.6 seconds, from a bolt-action rifle firing at a moving target? Sorry, I'm not convinced. It's hard enough to do that with an automatic rifle. If he had to chamber and fire the last two shots, that ain't human.

Why not believe? He'd had testing done in the Marines that everyone knew it was possible for him to shoot like that.

 

[Ellis Redding]

If it never hit any bones, yes it would be in good shape.
And people forget Oswald was not a pellet gun shooter.
He was in top end of the Marines at the time.

If the bullet never hit bones, though, it wasn't going to change directions ...
As for Oswald, yes, he was an expert marksman by almost any account you can find, but three dead-on shots in the span of, what, 5.6 seconds, from a bolt-action rifle firing at a moving target? Sorry, I'm not convinced. It's hard enough to do that with an automatic rifle. If he had to chamber and fire the last two shots, that ain't human.

Wasn't the scope defective, as well?

 

[Clever username]

If it never hit any bones, yes it would be in good shape.
And people forget Oswald was not a pellet gun shooter.
He was in top end of the Marines at the time.

If the bullet never hit bones, though, it wasn't going to change directions ...
As for Oswald, yes, he was an expert marksman by almost any account you can find, but three dead-on shots in the span of, what, 5.6 seconds, from a bolt-action rifle firing at a moving target? Sorry, I'm not convinced. It's hard enough to do that with an automatic rifle. If he had to chamber and fire the last two shots, that ain't human.

It shatter Connally's wrist. I'm pretty sure it hit bone.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

The magic bullet is bogus. Kennedy and Connally simply had to be turned at the right angle, and a straight shot could pierce them in the manner in which both were hit. That A/E or History Channel thing referenced above showed that (I saw it too). It didn't have to turn midflight, or ricochet off anything. The two men just had to be turned, with their bodies twisted into such a position that all the affected parts lined up, which is easily possible given where they sat and would not have required some crazy contortionist.

And one gunman could have fired off those shots. As was said, Oswald was an experienced marksman, so it's not unlikely that he could shoot the way this assasination would have required.

As was said, I think a lot of people have made a lot of money coming up with crazy conspiracy theories. Just ask the aliens we autopsied.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Still no plausible motive for Oswald, though.

Did Charles J. Guiteau have one? Yeah, he thought he should be ambassador to France, but essentially the guy was nuts. So, in a less flamboyant way, was Lee.

The problem is that the WC didn;t argue that. It argued that LHO did the deed because he was impotent and insignificant and wanted to become a worl historical figure. The problem, of course, is that he denied the crime every time he got before a microphone, including a press conference. Confronted by this, the WC simply said the equivalent of, "See? We told you he was nuts" and moved along.
A horrible, botched investigation that ABC seems to be convinced found the whole truth largely by lucky accident.

 

[Point of Order]

Still no plausible motive for Oswald, though.

Did Charles J. Guiteau have one? Yeah, he thought he should be ambassador to France, but essentially the guy was nuts. So, in a less flamboyant way, was Lee.

The problem is that the WC didn;t argue that. It argued that LHO did the deed because he was impotent and insignificant and wanted to become a worl historical figure. The problem, of course, is that he denied the crime every time he got before a microphone, including a press conference. Confronted by this, the WC simply said the equivalent of, "See? We told you he was nuts" and moved along.
A horrible, botched investigation that ABC seems to be convinced found the whole truth largely by lucky accident.

You're embarrassing yourself by suggesting that ABC just re-hashed the WC Report.

 

[ThomsonONE]

The magic bullet is bogus. Kennedy and Connally simply had to be turned at the right angle, and a straight shot could pierce them in the manner in which both were hit. That A/E or History Channel thing referenced above showed that (I saw it too). It didn't have to turn midflight, or ricochet off anything. The two men just had to be turned, with their bodies twisted into such a position that all the affected parts lined up, which is easily possible given where they sat and would not have required some crazy contortionist.

Unfortunately the zapruder film shows they weren't twisted in their seats, they were both facing straight ahead.

 

[markvid]

The Zapruder film doesn't show the first shot hitting - just the aftermath. When Kennedy comes into view, he's already clutching his neck.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

And Connally isn't injured at all.
You can say what you will about the ABC doc -- and I watched it, too -- but their notion is still that there were hundreds of flaws in the way the WC did its job but that it still managed to stumble onto the essential truth of things.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

An experienced sniper could do what Oswald did.

The bullet could penetrate two bodies if no bones were hit in the first victim that would cause the bullet to mushroom.

I always thought it amazing that the money shot never exited through the front of Kennedy's face.

 

[PopeDirkBenedict]

And Connally isn't injured at all.
You can say what you will about the ABC doc -- and I watched it, too -- but their notion is still that there were hundreds of flaws in the way the WC did its job but that it still managed to stumble onto the essential truth of things.

After reading Gerald Posner's book, I agree with that assessment of the WC.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

And Connally isn't injured at all.

Who?

Mrs. Connally?

The governor was screaming like a stuck pig.

Also, Connally was seated about a foot inset from the president.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

And Connally isn't injured at all.
You can say what you will about the ABC doc -- and I watched it, too -- but their notion is still that there were hundreds of flaws in the way the WC did its job but that it still managed to stumble onto the essential truth of things.

After reading Gerald Posner's book, I agree with that assessment of the WC.

The interview of Clint Hill by Specter seals the deal for me that the money shot came from Depository 6th floor.

 

[PopeDirkBenedict]

The HSCA relied heavily on acoustic evidence from the Dictabelt to come to the conclusion that four shots were fired. That audio evidence is in heavy dispute. I know nothing about the testing, etc., of that kind of evidence, but this link is interesting.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/odell/

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

And Connally isn't injured at all.

Who?

Mrs. Connally?

The governor was screaming like a stuck pig.

Also, Connally was seated about a foot inset from the president.

Not when the limo comes out from behind the sign, he's not.

 

[Blitz]

Kennedy, as taped footage shows, was shot at least once and probably twice from the FRONT of the motorcade.
He clutches his throat, then his forehead splatters backwards with the second shot.
Everytime I hear people debating that maybe it was just one shooter and maybe Oswald did this alone - I can't believe what I'm hearing.
Oswald being snuffed was the final piece of the equation. Once he was gone, he could assume the role as the perpetual fall guy.
Huge conspiracy here, folks. Just like the Huey Long scenario in Louisiana a few decades earlier.
These guys were taken out by the syndicate.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Kennedy, as taped footage shows, was shot at least once and probably twice from the FRONT of the motorcade.
He clutches his throat, then his forehead splatters backwards with the second shot.
Everytime I hear people debating that maybe it was just one shooter and maybe Oswald did this alone - I can't believe what I'm hearing.
Oswald being snuffed was the final piece of the equation. Once he was gone, he could assume the role as the perpetual fall guy.
Huge conspiracy here, folks. Just like the Huey Long scenario in Louisiana a few decades earlier.
These guys were taken out by the syndicate.

First.

The shot to Kennedy's back was CLEARLY an entrance would and the trach an exit.

Second, where is the bullet damage to Kennedy's forehead if he was shot from in front? That's right, there was none.

Grown-up table?

Not yet, kiddo.

 

[micropolitan guy]

three dead-on shots in the span of, what, 5.6 seconds, from a bolt-action rifle firing at a moving target? Sorry, I'm not convinced.

He only needed to fire two shots in 5.6 seconds. It's not like a raqce, when the gun goes off and the runner starts. In this case, the clock doesn't start until the first shot is fired. Another shot at 2.8 and the third at 5.6 is quite believable. Target was not moving very fast at all (10 MPH is 50 percent slower than a runner on a 4-minute pace), and one shot missed, so he didn't have three dead-on shots.

I've never been to the sixth floor museum in the TSD. People who have tell me they are shocked at how close it is to the killing zone, that you are practically right on top of it, and that the movies and photos of Dealy Plaza don't give a true perspective of how close Oswald actually was.

 

[Blitz]

Since neither of us was there at Parkland, Simon, I guess we can't know for sure.
But reports of all the people in the hospital room that final hour, and reports of the significantly flawed autopsy, lead me to believe what I believe.
You stay at the grown-up table and believe what you want.

 

[finishthehat]

Still no plausible motive for Oswald, though.

Did Charles J. Guiteau have one? Yeah, he thought he should be ambassador to France, but essentially the guy was nuts. So, in a less flamboyant way, was Lee.

The problem is that the WC didn;t argue that. It argued that LHO did the deed because he was impotent and insignificant and wanted to become a worl historical figure. The problem, of course, is that he denied the crime every time he got before a microphone, including a press conference. Confronted by this, the WC simply said the equivalent of, "See? We told you he was nuts" and moved along.
A horrible, botched investigation that ABC seems to be convinced found the whole truth largely by lucky accident.

I'm not defending the Warren Commission at all, fwiw; they were far more interested in covering up (ultimately irrelevant) dirty government deeds than they were in producing an airtight case. I just believe that LHO acted alone, even if he met with some weird folks along the way.

I forget who it was (I think it was Geirge Will), who walked back the Franz Ferdinand assassination and painted it as a huge conspiracy just to make the point that with hindsight, every little happening/coincidence can be made to look more ominous and conspiracy-supporting than it really was.

And I thought I read that the only interesting thing out of this new footage was that JFK's jacket was bunched up near his neck in such a way that it lent even more credence to the single-bullet theory.