Is what we do demeaning?

[Pulitzer Wannabe]

Just turned in from another night of begging 18-22 year olds to explain what it would mean to beat State U this week in a conference game ... and just can't shake this feeling that I get quite often, that we have to look like the world's biggest bunch of douche bags to the people we cover. That we're herded in and out of practices at their discretion, told when to jump and how high to get together for a five-minute interview that the players and coaches simply try to endure, not engage with us ...

Sure there are a few stories a year, enterprise pieces where you somehow get to involve some real people, maybe former players on your beat or maybe you dip into the preps scene and it feels like you're human again ... but, again, just constantly have this feeling of shame about having to grovel and cajole kids and control freak coaches for answers to simple, mundane questions every week.

I'm not explaining it very well, though. Anyone else want to give it a shot? Or just want to chime in and tell me I'm nuts, this is the world's greatest job?

 

[forever_town]

Any job is what you make of it.

There are certain times when I genuinely enjoy interviewing players. I can think of one player for the major D-IA football team I cover who made me feel like it was just a conversation when I was talking to him.

For me personally, I get to engage in two of my biggest passions at once and get paid for it. The fact that I get chicken feed for it matters less than the fact that I make my living doing what I love.

 

[spnited]

So in addition to being unhappy with your salary (based on your other thread), you think the job is demeaning. I have some career advice for you:

GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS NOW!

You have the nerve to call yourself "Pulitzer Wannabe" and post **** like this.

 

[Nathan Scott Phillips]

We're often forced also to ask obvious questions in order to get a quote we need. If you're on a beat, you probably already know the answer to any question you might ask for a gamer, but you need the answer in a fresh quote. They must wonder why we keep asking.

 

[Pulitzer Wannabe]

So in addition to being unhappy with your salary (based on your other thread), you think the job is demeaning. I have some career advice for you:

GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS NOW!

You have the nerve to call yourself "Pulitzer Wannabe" and post **** like this.

Wow.

What a ****ing prick.

 

[txsportsscribe]

So in addition to being unhappy with your salary (based on your other thread), you think the job is demeaning. I have some career advice for you:

GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS NOW!

You have the nerve to call yourself "Pulitzer Wannabe" and post **** like this.

Wow.

What a ****ing prick.

i tend to agree with spirited. do you have anything good to say about the profession or do you just want to moan and depress everyone?

 

[BillyT]

The people we cover don't mean a rat's ass.

We are in it for the reader.

You need to ask those questions to give the reader what he/she wants.

We are not here to be liked.

 

[maumann]

Hey, you can go months of listening to nothing but complaints about what you do and don't cover, killing yourself with long hours and low pay, losing every argument over space and color with the ME and writing good stuff that nobody notices.

As my mentor told me, "If you got into this business expecting a pat on the back, you'd better find something else to do right away."

Then something will happen that makes it worthwhile.

Rocky Mount used to host the ACC Men's Golf Tournament. College golfers rarely have a gallery, unless their families are there, so we tried to make it special with a tab and daily features. It was a lot of work with little return.

I ended up doing a piece on one of the Georgia Tech guys after Friday's round, just a quick post-round interview and by the numbers feature, a good story but nothing contest-worthy.

The next day, I'm sitting outside the clubhouse when the kid sees me, comes over, shakes my hand and thanks me for the story, then asks me to meet his parents. They wind up talking to me for another 20 minutes about how wonderful it was that I wrote about him, and he winds up giving me his lunch.

You never know when you might end up covering the next Stewart Cink.

 

[mike311gd]

Nope.

I've never felt that way in this business. I've been disrespected and had some complaints, but I've never felt like what I do is demeaning.

I think it's all in your mind. Maybe this job really isn't for you. You might want to ask yourself if it really is something you'll enjoy doing for a long time. Of course, that might just be a phase you've got to muscle through.

It's no fun being told when and where you can speak with athletes who are younger than you, but that's most of our jobs. It's just part of our business.

 

[Pulitzer Wannabe]

It's no fun being told when and where you can speak with athletes who are younger than you, but that's most of our jobs. It's just part of our business.

Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. I think that's the part that just gets to you after a while. But you have to be a professional about it and look at it that way - I'm sure that the Stones don't love having to play "Jumping Jack Flash" for the one millionth time, but they soldier on.

And, also, some of you are really, really self-righteous, particularly in using the salary thread against me on this one. Seriously. Like it's so wrong to think about. I'm sure you guys never do, being such purists.

 

[Stone Cane]

So in addition to being unhappy with your salary (based on your other thread), you think the job is demeaning. I have some career advice for you:

GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS NOW!

You have the nerve to call yourself "Pulitzer Wannabe" and post **** like this.

Wow.

What a ****ing prick.

nope, not a prick at all

he speaks wisely

get over yourself and grow a set or get the hell out of the industry

 

[txsportsscribe]

geez pulitzer, just how thin-skinned are you?

 

[Pulitzer Wannabe]

So in addition to being unhappy with your salary (based on your other thread), you think the job is demeaning. I have some career advice for you:

GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS NOW!

You have the nerve to call yourself "Pulitzer Wannabe" and post **** like this.

Wow.

What a ****ing prick.

nope, not a prick at all

he speaks wisely

get over yourself and grow a set or get the hell out of the industry

So any questioning of the "way things are" is grounds to "grow a set" and "get the hell out of the industry."

Nice.

 

[Pulitzer Wannabe]

geez pulitzer, just how thin-skinned are you?

This is like the 10,000th time I've read "buckweaver" act like no one loves the business like he does. He doesn't get paid much, he's not at a big paper, but oh how he loves it, etc., etc., etc. Yada, yada, yada.

 

[Angola!]

geez pulitzer, just how thin-skinned are you?

This is like the 10,000th time I've read "buckweaver" act like no one loves the business like he does. He doesn't get paid much, he's not at a big paper, but oh how he loves it, etc., etc., etc. Yada, yada, yada.

Buck is at a pretty big paper.
You are coming off very thin skinned. If you are expecting a bunch of folks on this board to hold your hand and listen to you *****, then you don't know much about this site.

 

[jgmacg]

Or just want to chime in and tell me I'm nuts, this is the world's greatest job?

So this part of the offer wasn't actually genuine.

You're getting an honest response to the question you asked, and to the manner in which you asked it. You used the word "demeaning" to describe our work. Were you hoping for sympathy or empathy thereafter?

This job, any job, is only ever what you make of it.

 

[Angola!]

Or just want to chime in and tell me I'm nuts, this is the world's greatest job?

So this part of the offer wasn't actually genuine.

You're getting an honest response to the question you asked, and to the manner in which you asked it. You used the word "demeaning" to describe our work. Were you hoping for sympathy or empathy thereafter?

This job, any job, is only ever what you make of it.

Thank you for once again putting it much more eloquently than me.

 

[Chi City 81]

geez pulitzer, just how thin-skinned are you?

This is like the 10,000th time I've read "buckweaver" act like no one loves the business like he does. He doesn't get paid much, he's not at a big paper, but oh how he loves it, etc., etc., etc. Yada, yada, yada.

Buck is at a pretty big paper.
You are coming off very thin skinned. If you are expecting a bunch of folks on this board to hold your hand and listen to you *****, then you don't know much about this site.

I can't find Hungry Horse News on the ABC circulation list. How big can it be? :'(

I don't know. But it's won a Pulitzer, so maybe it'd be a good destination for Pulitzer_Wannabe.

 

[Barsuk]

This thread makes my brain hurt.

 

[sportschick]

geez pulitzer, just how thin-skinned are you?

This is like the 10,000th time I've read "buckweaver" act like no one loves the business like he does. He doesn't get paid much, he's not at a big paper, but oh how he loves it, etc., etc., etc. Yada, yada, yada.

Buck is at a pretty big paper.
You are coming off very thin skinned. If you are expecting a bunch of folks on this board to hold your hand and listen to you *****, then you don't know much about this site.

I can't find Hungry Horse News on the ABC circulation list. How big can it be? :'(

I don't know. But it's won a Pulitzer, so maybe it'd be a good destination for Pulitzer_Wannabe.

Hungry Horse News' circ is around 3K, and yes, it did win a Pulitzer.