If the Mets could ...

[WildBillyCrazyCat]

All I know is if that ****ing idiot Duquette didn't deal Kazmir, we wouldn't be having this problem right now.

 

[hockeybeat]

All I know is if that ****ing idiot Duquette didn't deal Kazmir, we wouldn't be having this problem right now.

Duquette didn't trade Kazmir. Al Leiter, John Franco, Mike Piazza and Jeffy Wilpon did.

 

[WildBillyCrazyCat]

Could you refresh my memory on those details?

 

[Football_Bat]

Other than Dontrelle, the Marlins don't have a pitcher that the Mets want.

This one's looking rather silly at the moment.

 

[hockeybeat]

Could you refresh my memory on those details?

A couple years ago, at spring training...

Kazmir came into the clubhouse and changed the music to heavy metal or rap. Franco and Leiter believe that players have to have a certain amount of authority before they can change music. They switched it back to whatever they were listening to. Rumor has it that Kazmir had words with the vets, who were aghast that a rookie could be so gosh dang cocky.

At the trade deadline that year, the Mets were sort of in the race and needed a veteran pitcher. Franco, Leiter and Piazza (Piazza was tight with Leiter and Franco, so whatever they said was gospel) went to Jeffy Wilpon and said, "We gotta get another veteran arm. We gotta trade Kazmir" while Rick Peterson, the Mets pitching coach, famously remarked that he could fix Victor Zambrano's mechanics in "10 minutes." That was enough for Wilpon, who told Duquette to make the deal.

 

[hockeybeat]

Other than Dontrelle, the Marlins don't have a pitcher that the Mets want.

This one's looking rather silly at the moment.

National League East Division
Team W L Pct GB Home Road L10 Strk Magic #
Mets 60 41 .594 - 30-21 30-20 6-4 W1 50
Braves 48 53 .475 12 22-25 26-28 6-4 L1 74
Marlins 47 53 .470 12 ½ 25-24 22-29 7-3 W1 75
Phillies 46 53 .465 13 24-29 22-24 5-5 W2 76
Nationals 46 56 .451 14 ½ 26-24 20-32 8-2 W6 76

Coming into tonight's games, the Mets lead the Braves by 12 games. Clearly, they've done it with smoke and mirrors. :

No one is arguing that the Mets don't need another starter. They do. But, other than Dontrelle Willis, name one Marlins starter the Mets should trade for.

 

[Football_Bat]

Other than Dontrelle, the Marlins don't have a pitcher that the Mets want.

This one's looking rather silly at the moment.

National League East Division
Team W L Pct GB Home Road L10 Strk Magic #
Mets 60 41 .594 - 30-21 30-20 6-4 W1 50
Braves 48 53 .475 12 22-25 26-28 6-4 L1 74
Marlins 47 53 .470 12 1/2 25-24 22-29 7-3 W1 75
Phillies 46 53 .465 13 24-29 22-24 5-5 W2 76
Nationals 46 56 .451 14 1/2 26-24 20-32 8-2 W6 76

Coming into tonight's games, the Mets lead the Braves by 12 games. Clearly, they've done it with smoke and mirrors. :

No one is arguing that the Mets don't need another starter. They do. But, other than Dontrelle Willis, name one Marlins starter the Mets should trade for.

You are aware Nolasco took a no-hitter into the seventh tonight, aren't you?

 

[hockeybeat]

Other than Dontrelle, the Marlins don't have a pitcher that the Mets want.

This one's looking rather silly at the moment.

National League East Division
Team W L Pct GB Home Road L10 Strk Magic #
Mets 60 41 .594 - 30-21 30-20 6-4 W1 50
Braves 48 53 .475 12 22-25 26-28 6-4 L1 74
Marlins 47 53 .470 12 ½ 25-24 22-29 7-3 W1 75
Phillies 46 53 .465 13 24-29 22-24 5-5 W2 76
Nationals 46 56 .451 14 ½ 26-24 20-32 8-2 W6 76

Coming into tonight's games, the Mets lead the Braves by 12 games. Clearly, they've done it with smoke and mirrors. :

No one is arguing that the Mets don't need another starter. They do. But, other than Dontrelle Willis, name one Marlins starter the Mets should trade for.

A. That wasn't the question posited at thread's start.

B. That wasn't what you wrote that Bat was responding to.

Any of the Marlins starting four after Dontrelle is at least... at  least... arguably better than the Mets 3-5 guys.... and maybe their No.2 at 41 years old.

Maybe they are better long term. Short term, this season, the Mets need pitchers who have playoff experience.

 

[Columbo]

Other than Dontrelle, the Marlins don't have a pitcher that the Mets want.

This one's looking rather silly at the moment.

National League East Division
Team W L Pct GB Home Road L10 Strk Magic #
Mets 60 41 .594 - 30-21 30-20 6-4 W1 50
Braves 48 53 .475 12 22-25 26-28 6-4 L1 74
Marlins 47 53 .470 12 ½ 25-24 22-29 7-3 W1 75
Phillies 46 53 .465 13 24-29 22-24 5-5 W2 76
Nationals 46 56 .451 14 ½ 26-24 20-32 8-2 W6 76

Coming into tonight's games, the Mets lead the Braves by 12 games. Clearly, they've done it with smoke and mirrors. :

No one is arguing that the Mets don't need another starter. They do. But, other than Dontrelle Willis, name one Marlins starter the Mets should trade for.

A. That wasn't the question posited at thread's start.

B. That wasn't what you wrote that Bat was responding to.

Any of the Marlins starting four after Dontrelle is at least... at  least... arguably better than the Mets 3-5 guys.... and maybe their No.2 at 41 years old.

Maybe they are better long term. Short term, this season, the Mets need pitchers who have playoff experience.

Like Beckett, Penny and Pavano in 2003?

 

[hockeybeat]

Other than Dontrelle, the Marlins don't have a pitcher that the Mets want.

This one's looking rather silly at the moment.

National League East Division
Team W L Pct GB Home Road L10 Strk Magic #
Mets 60 41 .594 - 30-21 30-20 6-4 W1 50
Braves 48 53 .475 12 22-25 26-28 6-4 L1 74
Marlins 47 53 .470 12 1/2 25-24 22-29 7-3 W1 75
Phillies 46 53 .465 13 24-29 22-24 5-5 W2 76
Nationals 46 56 .451 14 1/2 26-24 20-32 8-2 W6 76

Coming into tonight's games, the Mets lead the Braves by 12 games. Clearly, they've done it with smoke and mirrors. :

No one is arguing that the Mets don't need another starter. They do. But, other than Dontrelle Willis, name one Marlins starter the Mets should trade for.

You are aware Nolasco took a no-hitter into the seventh tonight, aren't you?

Well, that makes him better than the Mets' rotation! Trade everyone for him now! [/dripping with sarcasm]

It's an impressive start. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[hockeybeat]

Other than Dontrelle, the Marlins don't have a pitcher that the Mets want.

This one's looking rather silly at the moment.

National League East Division
Team W L Pct GB Home Road L10 Strk Magic #
Mets 60 41 .594 - 30-21 30-20 6-4 W1 50
Braves 48 53 .475 12 22-25 26-28 6-4 L1 74
Marlins 47 53 .470 12 ½ 25-24 22-29 7-3 W1 75
Phillies 46 53 .465 13 24-29 22-24 5-5 W2 76
Nationals 46 56 .451 14 ½ 26-24 20-32 8-2 W6 76

Coming into tonight's games, the Mets lead the Braves by 12 games. Clearly, they've done it with smoke and mirrors. :

No one is arguing that the Mets don't need another starter. They do. But, other than Dontrelle Willis, name one Marlins starter the Mets should trade for.

A. That wasn't the question posited at thread's start.

B. That wasn't what you wrote that Bat was responding to.

Any of the Marlins starting four after Dontrelle is at least... at  least... arguably better than the Mets 3-5 guys.... and maybe their No.2 at 41 years old.

Maybe they are better long term. Short term, this season, the Mets need pitchers who have playoff experience.

Like Beckett, Penny and Pavano in 2003?

Typically, the teams that win have a pitcher that has had some playoff experience. The '03 Marlins were an anomaly. I'm not taking anything away from them, as they were great in playoff year.

Looking at th 2006 Marlins, who is comperable to Josh Beckett? Who is their Brad Penny? Their Carl Pavano?

 

[Columbo]

Other than Dontrelle, the Marlins don't have a pitcher that the Mets want.

This one's looking rather silly at the moment.

National League East Division
Team W L Pct GB Home Road L10 Strk Magic #
Mets 60 41 .594 - 30-21 30-20 6-4 W1 50
Braves 48 53 .475 12 22-25 26-28 6-4 L1 74
Marlins 47 53 .470 12 ½ 25-24 22-29 7-3 W1 75
Phillies 46 53 .465 13 24-29 22-24 5-5 W2 76
Nationals 46 56 .451 14 ½ 26-24 20-32 8-2 W6 76

Coming into tonight's games, the Mets lead the Braves by 12 games. Clearly, they've done it with smoke and mirrors. :

No one is arguing that the Mets don't need another starter. They do. But, other than Dontrelle Willis, name one Marlins starter the Mets should trade for.

A. That wasn't the question posited at thread's start.

B. That wasn't what you wrote that Bat was responding to.

Any of the Marlins starting four after Dontrelle is at least... at  least... arguably better than the Mets 3-5 guys.... and maybe their No.2 at 41 years old.

Maybe they are better long term. Short term, this season, the Mets need pitchers who have playoff experience.

Like Beckett, Penny and Pavano in 2003?

Typically, the teams that win have a pitcher that has had some playoff experience. The '03 Marlins were an anomaly. I'm not taking anything away from them, as they were great in playoff year.

Looking at th 2006 Marlins, who is comperable to Josh Beckett? Who is their Brad Penny? Their Carl Pavano?     

As you have articulated, the playoffs are a different animal.

Have to see how they would get through that.

Won't get a chance to this year.

But I would take Olsen, Sanchez and Johnson over Trachsel, El Duque and Maine.

And, I would take the Marlins' 5 over the Mets'

 

[broadway joe]

As I said, I'd definitely take the Mets' rotation for the rest of this year, especially after seeing Pedro pull it together tonight following a rocky beginning. As for the future, keep in mind that the Mets' rotation next year might include Zito and a more seasoned Pelfrey and Maine, not to mention Phillip Humber, a Pelfrey-like prospect who's throwing lights out in the minors right now. The Mets aren't without their share of young, power arms.

 

[Weekly writer]

El Duque today in win over Braves: 8in 3H 7Ks

Had real good stuff, lots of movement. Had Andrew Jones baffled all day.
Pedro, really settled in after a tough first, and won with less than stellar stuff.
Maybe a trade isnt as crucial as previously thought??

 

[Columbo]

Glavine looks like burnt toast out there.

His outs are howitzer shots.

 

[novelist_wannabe]

Greedy rat ******* traitor looks like burnt toast out there.

His outs are howitzer shots.

 

[Columbo]

Greedy rat ******* traitor looks like burnt toast out there.

His outs are howitzer shots.

Nice... unforunately for those sentiments... Benedict Thomas finally had a clean inning.

 

[beefncheddar]

Nice... unforunately for those sentiments... Benedict Thomas finally had a clean inning.

Typical Glavine outing. Shelled in the first and he's settled down since. Of course, the dog-ass lineup he's facing (with the exception of Ryan Howard) isn't exactly Murderer's Row.

 

[novelist_wannabe]

Nice... unforunately for those sentiments... Benedict Thomas finally had a clean inning.

Typical Greedy Rat ******* Traitor outing. Shelled in the first and he's settled down since. Of course, the dog-ass lineup he's facing (with the exception of Ryan Howard) isn't exactly Murderer's Row.

 

[Columbo]

Other than Dontrelle, the Marlins don't have a pitcher that the Mets want.

I thought I was posing this question among a constituency that knows baseball....

So, you're out...

If the Mets were building for three years from now, then, yes, the Mets need to swap rotations. But the Mets are dead-set on winning this year or next. As of today, the Mets have:

A No. 2 in Pedro.
A No. 3 in Glavine.
A boatload of No. 5s in Trachsel, El Duque, Maine, Pelfrey and Bannister.

Yeah... and the Marlins have (right now... not in the future) two twos and three threes.

You said that Dontrelle is the only pitcher the Mets would want.

In slotting where the guys go in the rotation, I think Dintrelle is the only guy beaten out by a Met

Pedro over Dontrelle slightly
Josh Johnson over Glavine
Scott Olsen over Trachsel
Anibel Sanchez over El Duque
Ricky Nolasco over... whoever

If you're building long term, then, yes, you go with the Marlins' rotation.
But, save for Dontrelle, how many post-season games has this rotation won? Pedro's won playoff games. So has Glavine. So has El Duque.

You think Glavine is getting it back?

If he were 34, I'd agree.

El Duque... isn't that like betting on 0/00?

If Glavine comes back... all props to you.