Hypothetical Michigan/Florida question

[IGotQuestions]

If Michigan had played a 13th game, say against any other Big Ten team besides Ohio State this week, would it be going to the BCS title game and not Florida?

PS - I'm amazed that more isn't made of Florida's shoddy nonconference schedule: crap-ass Central Florida, very middling (bad, even?) Florida State, and a 2-9 Division I-AA team. At least Michigan beat a then-No. 2 Notre Dame at Notre Dame; Vanderbilt, a team from the "best conference in the country" and the MAC champion (41-17), plus another MAC team that lost each of its three games to Big Ten teams by 10 points or less.

Fire away.

 

[Chi City 81]

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/34702/

 

[aspiring]

I think a good way of asking the question is, If there was a Big Ten Championship game played yesterday, on a neutral site, what would that havedone to the polls today? A big-Ten Championship game would have seen OSU and UM again, since the confrence isn't broken into divisions, like other confrences.

Under that kind of scenario, what would have happened?

In a feeble attempt to answer your question, I think it would be UM in the No. 2 spot.

BTW, did I hear correctly that someone on one of the analysis shows said that hte official line on a UM-UF game on a neutral site would have UM a 6 point favorite?

Sorry for the ranting on your thread, Questions.

 

[slappy4428]

I think a good way of asking the question is, If there was a Big Ten Championship game played yesterday, on a neutral site, what would that havedone to the polls today? A big-Ten Championship game would have seen OSU and UM again, since the confrence isn't broken into divisions, like other confrences.

Under that kind of scenario, what would have happened?

In a feeble attempt to answer your question, I think it would be UM in the No. 2 spot.

BTW, did I hear correctly that someone on one of the analysis shows said that hte official line on a UM-UF game on a neutral site would have UM a 6 point favorite?

Sorry for the ranting on your thread, Questions.

OK, but say the Big 10 was split into divisions: Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Northwestern in the north; OSU, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Penn State and Team X in the South.
Michigan-OSU would meet in last regular season game AND in the Big Ten title.
Aand say in the Big 10 title game at Ford Field, Michigan wins by three.

Do the voters give Michigan-OSU a third meeting in three games?

 

[John]

I think a good way of asking the question is, If there was a Big Ten Championship game played yesterday, on a neutral site, what would that havedone to the polls today? A big-Ten Championship game would have seen OSU and UM again, since the confrence isn't broken into divisions, like other confrences.

Under that kind of scenario, what would have happened?

In a feeble attempt to answer your question, I think it would be UM in the No. 2 spot.

BTW, did I hear correctly that someone on one of the analysis shows said that hte official line on a UM-UF game on a neutral site would have UM a 6 point favorite?

Sorry for the ranting on your thread, Questions.

OK, but say the Big 10 was split into divisions: Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Northwestern in the north; OSU, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Penn State and Team X in the South.
Michigan-OSU would meet in last regular season game AND in the Big Ten title.
Aand say in the Big 10 title game at Ford Field, Michigan wins by three.

Do the voters give Michigan-OSU a third meeting in three games?

A very good question. I doubt it.

 

[aspiring]

I think a good way of asking the question is, If there was a Big Ten Championship game played yesterday, on a neutral site, what would that havedone to the polls today? A big-Ten Championship game would have seen OSU and UM again, since the confrence isn't broken into divisions, like other confrences.

Under that kind of scenario, what would have happened?

In a feeble attempt to answer your question, I think it would be UM in the No. 2 spot.

BTW, did I hear correctly that someone on one of the analysis shows said that hte official line on a UM-UF game on a neutral site would have UM a 6 point favorite?

Sorry for the ranting on your thread, Questions.

OK, but say the Big 10 was split into divisions: Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Northwestern in the north; OSU, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Penn State and Team X in the South.
Michigan-OSU would meet in last regular season game AND in the Big Ten title.
Aand say in the Big 10 title game at Ford Field, Michigan wins by three.

Do the voters give Michigan-OSU a third meeting in three games?

Yes. I keep hearing all this talk of a rematch needing a third game if UM wins. This way, you'd have that third game. I think a OSU win by 3, followed by a UM win by 3 would make the teams 1a and 1b. A third game MUST be played.

It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but since this is a hypothetical thread...

 

[slappy4428]

Yes, a third game must be played. But do the voters give it to them. They didnt this time. Michigan has already beat OSU on a neutral field....

 

[aspiring]

Yes, a third game must be played. But do the voters give it to them. They didnt this time. Michigan has already beat OSU on a neutral field....

Are we still in the hypo with UM winning on the neutral field? If so, I think any voter, truly voting for what is right, sees the OSU UM rerematch as the only option. THe 2 games would cancel due to the points scored and the fact that they split 2, what would have to be, hard fought games. Both would be one-loss. What, then would be the alternative to the third game?

 

[slappy4428]

either OSU/UM vs. Florida in the BS final...
And remember, it's not any neutral field, it's Ford Field. In Detroit. Where UM has never played.

 

[aspiring]

Don't think field would matter. I suppose we have to have BigTen officials?

 

[Armchair_QB]

BTW, did I hear correctly that someone on one of the analysis shows said that hte official line on a UM-UF game on a neutral site would have UM a 6 point favorite?

Using point spreads in any argument about the relative strength of two teams is completely irrelevant to the discussion. A bunch of mobbed-up bookies in Vegas setting a betting line to drive wagering has absolutely nothing to do with who is the better team. It's all about getting as many people to place a bet as possible.

 

[Oz]

BTW, did I hear correctly that someone on one of the analysis shows said that hte official line on a UM-UF game on a neutral site would have UM a 6 point favorite?

Penn State was a 14-point underdog to the Canes 20 years ago. We saw how that turned out.

 

[dog428]

PS - I'm amazed that more isn't made of Florida's shoddy nonconference schedule: crap-ass Central Florida, very middling (bad, even?) Florida State, and a 2-9 Division I-AA team. At least Michigan beat a then-No. 2 Notre Dame at Notre Dame; Vanderbilt, a team from the "best conference in the country" and the MAC champion (41-17), plus another MAC team that lost each of its three games to Big Ten teams by 10 points or less.

Fire away.

Love it whenever someone attempts to criticize an SEC school's OOC schedule. Because whenever the argument is made, the only thing that's talked about is the OOC schedule. Forget the conference schedule and all those top-10 teams they played.

There are not two portions of a schedule. There's just the schedule. And the only reason to even attempt to break it into portions is because you're trying to make a case for a team whose schedule doesn't stack up so well overall.

Give it up. The fact is, Michigan has just as much business being in the title game as Florida does. Florida has just as much right to it as Michigan does.

In fact, if Florida knocked off OSU and Michigan handled USC, I wouldn't have much of a problem splitting the title. Hell, I'm all for splitting the title. I'd give out five of the damned things every year. Because all five of them would mean just as much as that bull**** trophy held up at the end of the BCS title game.

Oh, and to whoever disagreed earlier, tell me which of these teams Notre Dame could beat: Florida, Arkansas, Auburn, Tennessee or LSU. You could make a strong case for Georgia, depending on when the game was played during the year, and Alabama wouldn't have been a cakewalk for ND.

 

[dixiehack]

If Michigan had played a 13th game, say against any other Big Ten team besides Ohio State this week, would it be going to the BCS title game and not Florida?

PS - I'm amazed that more isn't made of Florida's shoddy nonconference schedule: crap-ass Central Florida, very middling (bad, even?) Florida State, and a 2-9 Division I-AA team. At least Michigan beat a then-No. 2 Notre Dame at Notre Dame; Vanderbilt, a team from the "best conference in the country" and the MAC champion (41-17), plus another MAC team that lost each of its three games to Big Ten teams by 10 points or less.

Fire away.

Florida State is a "very middling (bad, even?)" team, but you want extra credit for playing ****ing Vandy? Nice. And you left off Florida's win against Southern Miss. A C-USA division winner is at least as good as the MAC champion.

But since you insist, let's compare the better wins for each team. Florida on the left, Michigan on the right.

LSU		Wisconsin
Arkansas		Notre Dame
Tennessee		Penn State
Georgia		Central Michigan
South Carolina		Minnesota

 

[dog428]

If Michigan had played a 13th game, say against any other Big Ten team besides Ohio State this week, would it be going to the BCS title game and not Florida?

PS - I'm amazed that more isn't made of Florida's shoddy nonconference schedule: crap-ass Central Florida, very middling (bad, even?) Florida State, and a 2-9 Division I-AA team. At least Michigan beat a then-No. 2 Notre Dame at Notre Dame; Vanderbilt, a team from the "best conference in the country" and the MAC champion (41-17), plus another MAC team that lost each of its three games to Big Ten teams by 10 points or less.

Fire away.

Florida State is a "very middling (bad, even?)" team, but you want extra credit for playing ****ing Vandy? Nice. And you left off Florida's win against Southern Miss. A C-USA division winner is at least as good as the MAC champion.

But since you insist, let's compare the better wins for each team. Florida on the left, Michigan on the right.

LSU		Wisconsin
Arkansas		Notre Dame
Tennessee		Penn State
Georgia		Central Michigan
South Carolina		Minnesota

Whoa. Notre Dame over Arkansas?

The Hogs beat ND by two TDs. Easy.

 

[Oz]

I think dixie simply wanted to throw a bone there, to show how misguided the argument was.

 

[GB-Hack]

Well, we've got Tennessee-Notre Dame in the Outback, LSU-Notre Dame in the Sugar and Arkansas-Wisconsin in the Capital One. Should make for some interesting New Year's day preamble before the OSU-Florida game.

 

[the fop]

Dog and Dixie, great posts. I'll add this: If you're going to penalize Florida for Florida State having a down year (never mind that it's still a rivalry game, on the road), then you also have to dock Michigan for the Big Ten having a down year. Conference was VERY top heavy this year. Penn State? Iowa? Michigan State?

IMO, you can't really fault teams when opponents that look good on paper don't hold up their end. Nobody scheduled Temple.

 

[GFav44]

All this proves is that the college football championship system is flawed. Its not decided on the field but in the mind of the voters by deciding who should play who. Does college football need a playoff system...yes. Because then the championship will be decided on the field. Oh, I remember reading on one of the threads that only conference champions should be in the National Championship, well tell that to the Steelers, Ravens, Marlins and Angels. If you dont remember, all those teams won the championship but were second place teams that didnt win their division.

 

[slappy4428]

Well, we've got Tennessee-Notre Dame in the Outback, LSU-Notre Dame in the Sugar and Arkansas-Wisconsin in the Capital One. Should make for some interesting New Year's day preamble before the OSU-Florida game.

Jeebus, who are you? Jimmy Olson? :D