Dungy on The Tonight Show

[Tom Petty]

The man was very solid. I enjoyed the interview.

 

[BYH]

Did he tell me to go **** myself?

 

[Oz]

Did he tell me to go **** myself?

If he did, I must have turned it on too late to see it.

 

[slappy4428]

Did he tell me to go **** myself?

Nah, he thought he'd be unique

 

[trounced]

The Leno interview was definitely solid. The fourth quarter of the MNF game was also interesting (the off-field discussion, not the on-field play). While talking about his new book, the guys in the booth were discussing Dungy's merits for possible inclusion in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I had never really given it any thought but the broadcasters seemed to think he'd get inducted. I think I'd want to see how his career finishes first, but he should be strongly considered. Is Dungy a Hall-of-Famer? I'm not sure.

Has anyone read his book yet? Thoughts? I haven't read it (not big into sports bios) but I've heard people just rave about it. The broadcast mentioned that new Dolphins head coach Cam Cameron bought 1,000 copies.

Here are a two Kravitz links about the book.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070710/COLUMNISTS01/707100332/1247/SPORTS

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070815/COLUMNISTS01/708150494/1034/COLUMNISTS01

 

[Armchair_QB]

The Leno interview was definitely solid. The fourth quarter of the MNF game was also interesting (the off-field discussion, not the on-field play). While talking about his new book, the guys in the booth were discussing Dungy's merits for possible inclusion in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I had never really given it any thought but the broadcasters seemed to think he'd get inducted. I think I'd want to see how his career finishes first, but he should be strongly considered. Is Dungy a Hall-of-Famer? I'm not sure.

Has anyone read his book yet? Thoughts? I haven't read it (not big into sports bios) but I've heard people just rave about it. The broadcast mentioned that new Dolphins head coach Cam Cameron bought 1,000 copies.

Here are a two Kravitz links about the book.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070710/COLUMNISTS01/707100332/1247/SPORTS

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070815/COLUMNISTS01/708150494/1034/COLUMNISTS01

The way the Pro Football HOF process works he's definitely a Hall of Famer.

 

[heyabbott]

If Dungy goes in based on his coaching tenure, assuming this is his only Super Bowl win, does George Seifert, who won 2? Jimmy Johnson (2), Shanahan(2),Holmgren(1-2), Vermeil (1-1), Dan Reeves (0-3).
Bill Cowher?
Gruden, Flores Billick?

 

[BYH]

Tony Dungy a Hall of Fame coach? Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor.

No way. Not in a million years. Not even in the pisspoor, watered down, we need to have six guys inducted every year Pro Football HOF.

 

[trounced]

Tony Dungy a Hall of Fame coach? Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor.

No way. Not in a million years. Not even in the pisspoor, watered down, we need to have six guys inducted every year Pro Football HOF.

Why do you say that? Maybe you are right. I'm not sure it's as clear cut in the other direction as you suggest. What if he wins another Super Bowl. I don't think I'd have him in at this point either, but to me he's at least approaching the bubble, not "no way in a million years."

His teams have made eight consecutive playoff appearances. The record is nine, set by I believe Chuck Noll. He's won a Super Bowl, the first black head coach to achieve such an accomplishment. He completely turned around a horrible franchise in Tampa. He's had one losing record during his entire career as a head coach. I think you also may have to look at his coach tree, which has grown at quite a rate.

 

[sportschick]

BYH has an irrational dislike of Dungy, just saying.

 

[heyabbott]

Tony Dungy a Hall of Fame coach? Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor.

No way. Not in a million years. Not even in the pisspoor, watered down, we need to have six guys inducted every year Pro Football HOF.

Why do you say that? Maybe you are right. I'm not sure it's as clear cut in the other direction as you suggest. What if he wins another Super Bowl. I don't think I'd have him in at this point either, but to me he's at least approaching the bubble, not "no way in a million years."

His teams have made eight consecutive playoff appearances. The record is nine, set by I believe Chuck Noll. He's won a Super Bowl, the first black head coach to achieve such an accomplishment. He completely turned around a horrible franchise in Tampa. He's had one losing record during his entire career as a head coach. I think you also may have to look at his coach tree, which has grown at quite a rate.

Not saying that Dungy is not, but if he is a HOF coach, isn't just about every coach who one a Super Bowl or made 2 appearances a HOF coach as well.

What about Cowher, when he left he was the longest tenured coach of his generation? What about Gruden who one Super Bowl in Tampa when Dungy couldn't?

 

[GB-Hack]

Tony Dungy a Hall of Fame coach? Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor.

No way. Not in a million years. Not even in the pisspoor, watered down, we need to have six guys inducted every year Pro Football HOF.

Why do you say that? Maybe you are right. I'm not sure it's as clear cut in the other direction as you suggest. What if he wins another Super Bowl. I don't think I'd have him in at this point either, but to me he's at least approaching the bubble, not "no way in a million years."

His teams have made eight consecutive playoff appearances. The record is nine, set by I believe Chuck Noll. He's won a Super Bowl, the first black head coach to achieve such an accomplishment. He completely turned around a horrible franchise in Tampa. He's had one losing record during his entire career as a head coach. I think you also may have to look at his coach tree, which has grown at quite a rate.

Not saying that Dungy is not, but if he is a HOF coach, isn't just about every coach who one a Super Bowl or made 2 appearances a HOF coach as well.

What about Cowher, when he left he was the longest tenured coach of his generation? What about Gruden who one Super Bowl in Tampa when Dungy couldn't?

I'd put Dungy in ahead of Gruden, simply because the teams he has coached have produced a consistently high level of performance. Eight straight seasons taking a team to the playoffs and a Super Bowl win is very impressive. He is 123-70 overall, and has a regular season record of 60-20 with the Colts. That the Colts have won 75% of the regular season games he's coached is very impressive to me.

Gruden is 82-70 as a coach overall, and 42-42 with the Bucs.

 

[trounced]

Tony Dungy a Hall of Fame coach? Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor.

No way. Not in a million years. Not even in the pisspoor, watered down, we need to have six guys inducted every year Pro Football HOF.

Why do you say that? Maybe you are right. I'm not sure it's as clear cut in the other direction as you suggest. What if he wins another Super Bowl. I don't think I'd have him in at this point either, but to me he's at least approaching the bubble, not "no way in a million years."

His teams have made eight consecutive playoff appearances. The record is nine, set by I believe Chuck Noll. He's won a Super Bowl, the first black head coach to achieve such an accomplishment. He completely turned around a horrible franchise in Tampa. He's had one losing record during his entire career as a head coach. I think you also may have to look at his coach tree, which has grown at quite a rate.

Not saying that Dungy is not, but if he is a HOF coach, isn't just about every coach who one a Super Bowl or made 2 appearances a HOF coach as well.

What about Cowher, when he left he was the longest tenured coach of his generation? What about Gruden who one Super Bowl in Tampa when Dungy couldn't?

I think Cowher is a Hall of Famer. He's coached at a very high level for a long time.

I don't subscribe to the argument, but many people argue that Gruden just had to put the final touches on the team that Dungy built. Gruden's a little bit more of a flash-in-the-pan at this point, although he's still quite young. I think Dungy's consistency separates him from Gruden at this point.

One of the the things that is remarkable about Dungy is that he has 10+ wins in eight of his 11 seasons. He also has a nine-win season.

As for the guys mentioned previously, Seifert is a really tough case. He obviously gets discredited by many because he followed Walsh. He had a career record of 114-62 (identically matches Dungy's career record to this point), although he had more success in the playoffs than Dungy. His 1-15 record to close out his career, as well as never producing a winning record in his three seasons in Carolina doesn't help his case.

Jimmy Johnson was 80-64 and 9-4 in the postseason. His record is hampered by the 1-15 start with Dallas. I just don't think he coached long enough, although as soon as I say that I think he coached almost the same number of games as Bill Walsh.

I think the record is still out on Shanahan and Holmgren. I think parity in today's NFL is going to make it very difficult for any head coach to have sterling credentials in tems of wins and losses.

Tom Flores finished his career with four consecutive losing seasons. Vermeil didn't have near the consistency of Dungy.

I think Don Coryell should be in the Hall of Fame for his contributions to the game.

I was actually in the Dungy doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame at this point. After taking a closer look, maybe he does belong. He's at least pretty close.