Ducks' Dixon officially done for year

[thebiglead]

And what if we can't take away McFadden or Tebow? Then what? No value so no Heisman?

And sorry, MB, but I'll go ahead and disagree with the use of 'exceptional.' The Ducks lost at home to a Cal team that is now out of the Top 25. Ditto for the Gators (Auburn).

 

[thebiglead]

My own personal opinion: There's about a hundred QBs that could have taken that Florida team and lost three games with it. Tebow's got lots of pretty stats, which have been run up in what can only be considered a pretty disappointing season for his team. Many of them being runs that could have easily been made by the FB or RB.

You seem to somehow think Tebow lost these games for the Gators. When your defense can't stop anyone ... you're not going to run the table. When you have to go on the road for three straight against ranked teams ... you're going to lose some games.

 

[beefncheddar]

Florida's wins over current top-25 teams:
Tennessee (19)
Kentucky (22)

Oregon's wins over current top-25 teams:
Southern Cal (11)
Arizona State (9)

 

[Rufino]

It was completely irresponsible of them to allow the kid to play. As someone who's torn an ACL myself in the past, I can tell you that you have absolutely no idea when it will go out on you when you're just walking around. To put him out there on the football field was to guaruntee this would be the way it ended. I hope for the kid's sake he didn't do more damage to any other parts of the knee.

 

[beefncheddar]

Auburn loss: Tebow stunk up the joint. Defense gave up 20.
Georgia loss: Tebow stunk up the joint, even on a night he could have run up stats because the Gators trailed much of the way.

Look, if you're looking for lots of meaningless touchdowns hung on Vandy and South Carolina, Tebow's your guy. If you think him bulling his way in from a yard or two out is a big deal, then he's your guy.

But that team has lost three games. That's underachieving at Florida.

 

[beefncheddar]

It was completely irresponsible of them to allow the kid to play. As someone who's torn an ACL myself in the past, I can tell you that you have absolutely no idea when it will go out on you when you're just walking around. To put him out there on the football field was to guaruntee this would be the way it ended. I hope for the kid's sake he didn't do more damage to any other parts of the knee.

As mentioned in the other thread,

Number of intact ACLs John Elway played with his entire pro career: One.

 

[Rufino]

My own personal opinion: There's about a hundred QBs that could have taken that Florida team and lost three games with it. Tebow's got lots of pretty stats, which have been run up in what can only be considered a pretty disappointing season for his team. Many of them being runs that could have easily been made by the FB or RB.

You do realize the guy is number two in passing efficiency, right? He's been brilliant - the UGA game he shouldn't have been playing with a bad shoulder and he still got them back into the lead before the defense choked it. Unless you think he should have gone out there and tackled Knowshown Moreno there's no way you can put that loss on him.

 

[Rufino]

As mentioned in the other thread,

Number of intact ACLs John Elway played with his entire pro career: One.

Great. Garrison Hearst had a torn ACL he was able to play on too as I recall. One or two flukes don't make what they did here right. I saw Colorado put John Hessler out on the field in the same situation, and Kansas nearly killed the kid. Sometimes coaches have to say no even when a guy really wants to do something - it's called being responsible for the long term.

 

[thebiglead]

Florida's wins over current top-25 teams:
Tennessee (19)
Kentucky (22)

Oregon's wins over current top-25 teams:
Southern Cal (11)
Arizona State (9)

Why does current matter? If matters more where the team was ranked when they played. By that logic:

Games played against ranked teams:
Oregon 2-1 (wins USC, ASU; loss Cal)
Florida 2-2 (beat Tenn, Kentucky; lost to LSU georgia)

As for 'stunk up the joint' ... 20-27 for 201 1/1 ... 75 yds rush 1 TD ... i suppose we have different definitions of the phrase. I wasn't sold on Tebow until recently, when he was impressive during that three game stretch. Even though they went 1-2, the losses (if you saw the games) were not his fault. Terrible D. Happens when your entire secondary (?) graduates.

Ask Michigan.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

Tebow has been the best college player I have seen this year. They better give him the Heisman, now, too, because the way he plays, he'll be in the Wile E. Coyote full-body cast with eyeholes by senior year.

 

[Shaggy]

New Heisman Top 5

Tebow
McFadden
White
Daniel
Reesing

 

[wickedwritah]

Sometimes coaches have to say no even when a guy really wants to do something - it's called being responsible for the long term.

Good to know I'm not the only one here with this view.

 

[PCLoadLetter]

Sometimes coaches have to say no even when a guy really wants to do something - it's called being responsible for the long term.

Good to know I'm not the only one here with this view.

What long term? Dixon's draft position?

So the responsible thing is to give up Dixon's shot at the Heisman and give up the team's shot at its first-ever national championship to protect Dixon's draft status? And he should do that against the wishes of Dixon and his family? Really?

 

[thebiglead]

New Heisman Top 5

Tebow
McFadden
White
Daniel
Reesing

As in Pat White? I have trouble with the WVU combo. Love to watch both of them, but in his road test against South Florida, he got hurt. Then Slaton was the guy who killed Rutgers. White was good against Louisville.

My 'ballot':
Tebow
Dixon
McFadden

Still think McFadden can leapfrog Dixon with a win over LSU. Hell, if Tebow stinks up the joint and McFadden finishes strong, D-Mac could win it. Big 12 kids will decide their fate in the coming weeks

 

[beefncheddar]

As long as the Dixons had all the medical information possible ... and as long as everyone agrees he gets pulled at the first sign of trouble ... give the kid a shot, if that's the family's wishes.

And make damn sure Leaf knows he's probably playing the bulk of the game.

 

[wickedwritah]

Sometimes coaches have to say no even when a guy really wants to do something - it's called being responsible for the long term.

Good to know I'm not the only one here with this view.

What long term? Dixon's draft position?

So the responsible thing is to give up Dixon's shot at the Heisman and give up the team's shot at its first-ever national championship to protect Dixon's draft status? And he should do that against the wishes of Dixon and his family? Really?

Player does not call the shots.

Neither does the family.

If the coach made the decision solely because Dixon wanted to play, it's foolhardy. Maybe if the backup had been running the first team the past two weeks, he may have been better prepared to enter that game and not lay an egg. Wait, I forgot it's a Leaf we're talking about. He probably would've screwed up, anyway.

I'm also wondering how Vegas feels about the fact that this kid's injury was not reported. Anyone with some insider information could've made a boatload on the game.

 

[PCLoadLetter]

Sometimes coaches have to say no even when a guy really wants to do something - it's called being responsible for the long term.

Good to know I'm not the only one here with this view.

What long term? Dixon's draft position?

So the responsible thing is to give up Dixon's shot at the Heisman and give up the team's shot at its first-ever national championship to protect Dixon's draft status? And he should do that against the wishes of Dixon and his family? Really?

Player does not call the shots.

Neither does the family.

If the coach made the decision solely because Dixon wanted to play, it's foolhardy. Maybe if the backup had been running the first team the past two weeks, he may have been better prepared to enter that game and not lay an egg. Wait, I forgot it's a Leaf we're talking about. He probably would've screwed up, anyway.

I'm also wondering how Vegas feels about the fact that this kid's injury was not reported. Anyone with some insider information could've made a boatload on the game.

Give Leaf a month, he'll still lose. It's a spread option offense. He can't run it. It doesn't suit him at all. That's why they'll now lose to Oregon State in a few weeks.

Again, what was the long term interest that was ignored?

(And this isn't the NFL -- schools don't report injuries, and given that Dixon and his family specifically requested that they not release it, I would imagine HIPAA becomes a legit concern.)

 

[wickedwritah]

I know schools don't report, but the casinos may not enjoy getting taken to the cleaners because of this type of incident.

 

[BBJones]

Let me make sure I have this straight. Before the game, Dixon had a torn ACL. After the game, he still has a torn ACL. What did the coach do wrong?

You have a torn ACL, you probably get reconstructive surgery. He gave it a go. It didn't work. Nothing is hurt worse now, except maybe Dixon's Heisman chances.

And on that subject, of all years, couldn't a defensive player at least be talked about? What about the linebacker from Ohio State?

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

What a *****.

Not like he finished a cross country race on a broken leg or something.