Down goes Rove! Down goes Rove!

[JackyJackBN]

In my opinion, Rove was worn down by the Plame-Wilson investigation. How many times was he called to testify? Four? Five? So that was effective.

I think Pope correctly predicts his future.

Following the final two years of the Clinton and Bush administrations--zealots on both sides, please take a step back with me here--I wonder to what extent legal action is going to be used as a political tool in the future, particularly against lame duck administrations.

 

[jimmymcd]

Jacky, I made that point a while back, that from now on nothing will really get done because each side will be going after the other side, ad nauseum.

 

[JackyJackBN]

Jacky, I made that point a while back, that from now on nothing will really get done because each side will be going after the other side, ad nauseum.

Who is the current candidate for President you would like to see in office for two terms?

Someone smart enough to go in with the idea of being a one-termer, come hell or high water, might be the best pick.

But then, to become President a candidate has to have enough of an ego to put up with the tsuris a run involves. Match an ego of that size with a win, and, presto, let's do it again!

We're already deep into the next election cycle, obviously. What a pain in the ass.

 

[Ace]

Jacky, I made that point a while back, that from now on nothing will really get done because each side will be going after the other side, ad nauseum.

After the past six years, I'd vote twice for nothing getting done.

 

[Songbird]

Now he begins stealth plotting to rig '08.

 

[Ace]

I don't know, I don't like the feel of this.

He just might end up on AM radio like the other fat *******.

I heard the fat ******* attacking Dems by saying first they were against the surge saying it wouldn't work, now they are saying that we still haven't achieved political stability.

Guy's a genius making it seem that the Dems are just bitching to *****, but, Rush, the freakin' point is to have developed "new Democracy" over there. Point never was to leave a crater.

 

[JackyJackBN]

Now he begins stealth plotting to rig '08.

Blue font, please, because you've got to be kidding.

Not that powerful, and not that effective. He needed a huge load of stumble, fumble, fart and fall from the other side to help win that second election.

 

[digger]

I think Rove is going to sit 2008 out in terms of being a campaign manager for a candidate. He might give the nominee's campaign managers some advice, but he will sit this one out. He has basically been running a campaign non-stop since 1999 and that has to be tiring. What I think is more likely is that he spends the next year and a half drinking scotch, smoking cigars on his back porch, writing a book and appearing on some cable news shows.

After 2008, he probably re-opens his consulting business (which Bush made him shut down in the run up to 2000) and makes a boatload of coin giving advice to Senatorial and Congressional candidates in 2010 -- and if we have President Hillary and a Democrat Congress, that will be a fertile time for a GOP consultant.

The problem is, they're going to need another win (republican, someone like Guliani), to solidify the power they've usurped so far, and to continue stacking the supreme court so there's no check against it.

And also to keep all these current assholes out of prison.

I can't see Rove sitting this one out, but I can see him working behind the scenes so he doesn't leave any fingerprints. Him leaving now is probably all part of the plan.

Get ready for them to slime the Democrats as much as possible, make the general public really not want to vote because its just a bunch of name-calling, use the courts and the voting systems and other scare tactics to prevent the poor and people in cities from voting, and Viola! President 9/11.

 

[JackyJackBN]

I think Rove is going to sit 2008 out in terms of being a campaign manager for a candidate. He might give the nominee's campaign managers some advice, but he will sit this one out. He has basically been running a campaign non-stop since 1999 and that has to be tiring. What I think is more likely is that he spends the next year and a half drinking scotch, smoking cigars on his back porch, writing a book and appearing on some cable news shows.

After 2008, he probably re-opens his consulting business (which Bush made him shut down in the run up to 2000) and makes a boatload of coin giving advice to Senatorial and Congressional candidates in 2010 -- and if we have President Hillary and a Democrat Congress, that will be a fertile time for a GOP consultant.

The problem is, they're going to need another win (republican, someone like Guliani), to solidify the power they've usurped so far, and to continue stacking the supreme court so there's no check against it.

And also to keep all these current assholes out of prison.

I can't see Rove sitting this one out, but I can see him working behind the scenes so he doesn't leave any fingerprints. Him leaving now is probably all part of the plan.

Get ready for them to slime the Democrats as much as possible, make the general public really not want to vote because its just a bunch of name-calling, use the courts and the voting systems and other scare tactics to prevent the poor and people in cities from voting, and Viola! President 9/11.

Yeah, right, Digger.

No doubt Rove, with Bush following along on a leash, is behind this website and others like it:
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/

People are fed up with the vituperation in politics because it's there, out on the edges, not because some evil genius put it in place to trick us all. I opine.

I don't like it, and I won't base my vote on it.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Well, he'll have time on his hands now that he's brought this job to a successful conclusion.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/09/15/BL2005091501098.html

And jacky -- not to put too fine a point on it but this:

"Following the final two years of the Clinton and Bush administrations--zealots on both sides, please take a step back with me here--I wonder to what extent legal action is going to be used as a political tool in the future, particularly against lame duck administrations."

...isn't entirely accurate. The political utility of criminal proceedings was used against the Clinton Administration in 1997, with the phony Whitewater scandal, followed by TravelGate and FileGate and the other noisy hoaxes, to say nothing of the indecent use of Vince Foster's suicide as a political club. It started almost from the moment he took his hand off the Bible. And this is not even to mention the fact that there were two special prosecutors looking at him under a law that doesn't exist any more, to say nothing of congressional "oversight" which this WH has only had to face since last January. I don't think the "last two years" argument holds much water, historically.

 

[steveu]

From one conservative to the anti-Bushies on here, Rove had to go. He's already done enough damage to Bush's presidency and more. I think he fell on the sword.

That said, I wonder where he will turn up next.

 

[old_tony]

I think Rove is going to sit 2008 out in terms of being a campaign manager for a candidate. He might give the nominee's campaign managers some advice, but he will sit this one out. He has basically been running a campaign non-stop since 1999 and that has to be tiring. What I think is more likely is that he spends the next year and a half drinking scotch, smoking cigars on his back porch, writing a book and appearing on some cable news shows.

After 2008, he probably re-opens his consulting business (which Bush made him shut down in the run up to 2000) and makes a boatload of coin giving advice to Senatorial and Congressional candidates in 2010 -- and if we have President Hillary and a Democrat Congress, that will be a fertile time for a GOP consultant.

The problem is, they're going to need another win (republican, someone like Guliani), to solidify the power they've usurped so far, and to continue stacking the supreme court so there's no check against it.

And also to keep all these current assholes out of prison.

I can't see Rove sitting this one out, but I can see him working behind the scenes so he doesn't leave any fingerprints. Him leaving now is probably all part of the plan.

Get ready for them to slime the Democrats as much as possible, make the general public really not want to vote because its just a bunch of name-calling, use the courts and the voting systems and other scare tactics to prevent the poor and people in cities from voting, and Viola! President 9/11.

Just a question: When Clinton named Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer was it "stacking" the Supreme Court?

 

[dooley_womack1]

Um, at least one of those additions made it through a Republican-controlled Congress.

 

[Yawn]

OMG, I was so immature.

The rats are deserting the sinking ship.

You'd **** your pants if he wound up as the muscle behind one of your Demos.

 

[PopeDirkBenedict]

I think Rove is going to sit 2008 out in terms of being a campaign manager for a candidate. He might give the nominee's campaign managers some advice, but he will sit this one out. He has basically been running a campaign non-stop since 1999 and that has to be tiring. What I think is more likely is that he spends the next year and a half drinking scotch, smoking cigars on his back porch, writing a book and appearing on some cable news shows.

After 2008, he probably re-opens his consulting business (which Bush made him shut down in the run up to 2000) and makes a boatload of coin giving advice to Senatorial and Congressional candidates in 2010 -- and if we have President Hillary and a Democrat Congress, that will be a fertile time for a GOP consultant.

The problem is, they're going to need another win (republican, someone like Guliani), to solidify the power they've usurped so far, and to continue stacking the supreme court so there's no check against it.

And also to keep all these current assholes out of prison.

I can't see Rove sitting this one out, but I can see him working behind the scenes so he doesn't leave any fingerprints. Him leaving now is probably all part of the plan.

Get ready for them to slime the Democrats as much as possible, make the general public really not want to vote because its just a bunch of name-calling, use the courts and the voting systems and other scare tactics to prevent the poor and people in cities from voting, and Viola! President 9/11.

First off, Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, Roberts and Alito aren't going anywhere anytime in the near future, so I think the Supreme Court is secure. Decorum prevents from sticking my tongue out and going "Ppppbbbbbbtttttt."

Secondly, I doubt that any of "these assholes" are going to prison. A president gets anywhere from 3 to 6 months for a honeymoon to implement his/her policies. Spending that time investigating your predecessor is not a good use of that time and I doubt the American people will think highly of that. They view the past as the past and will just be happy that Bush is no longer in office.

And I really don't understand what you mean by the need to consolidate the power. If you mean, they need someone to continue to claim the never-ending boundaries of executive power and privilege -- which I am more in agreement with Fenian on than I am with John Yoo -- then I guess that I still don't get it. I, for one, would not be shocked to see Hillary have an expansive view of executive authority once she gets in office.

Rove may be a evil genius *******, but he is still human. He is still a man who has a wife who wants to see him, a son that he has probably missed a lot since 1999 and a desire to experience life outside of the Washington bubble. There is a reason that people typically only work 2-3 years in the White House; it's the job of a lifetime, but it requires giving up time with friends and family, significant pay (anyone good enough to work in the White House could probably double their salary in the private sector) and sleep. Look at the before and after pictures of most White House staffers, much less the president. They look like they aged in dog years. And Rove has always maintained that he was going to sit out 2008. Don't worry, we don't need to Rove to keep those poor minorities from voting. We paid off the Diebold machine people not to count the votes that look like they came from colored skin or from dirty poor people.

 

[Tom Petty]

OMG, I was so immature.

The rats are deserting the sinking ship.

You'd **** your pants if he wound up as the muscle behind one of your Demos.

apologize carl jr.

 

[old_tony]

Um, at least one of those additions made it through a Republican-controlled Congress.

Yeah, because the Republicans didn't play politics with nominees. What was the vote total again on them?

 

[PHINJ]

Karl Rove:

Had a gay adoptive father, and his mother committed suicide.

Got beat up by a girl when he was 10 years old because he declared his support for Nixon in the 1960 presidential election.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Um, at least one of those additions made it through a Republican-controlled Congress.

Yeah, because the Republicans didn't play politics with nominees. What was the vote total again on them?

No, you sophist, because Clinton picked moderates, unlike the staunch conservatives Shrub rammed through before Congress turned.

 

[pallister]

Moderates. That makes me laugh.