Covering the same game for two papers

[Gator_Hawks]

I haven't come across this one before, but what do people think about this.

Yesterday, in the Atlantic 10 men's basketball tournament opening round Saint Joseph's played at George Washington.

Reading the stories from the game on Philly.com (which is the same company as the Philly Inquirer and Philly Daily News), I saw that a freelancer covered the game for both papers.

The stories were different, and it is all one company, but I was curious to see what everyone thought.

Inquirer story: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20110309_Hawks_stay_alive_in_A-10.html

Daily News story: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20110309_Saint_Joseph_s_survives_George_Washington_to_advance_in_Atlantic_10_Tournament.html

 

[Mizzougrad96]

The only way there's anything wrong with it if the papers don't know you're doing it.

Early in my career when I had to cover a lot of MLS and women's hoops, I made a fortune covering games for additional papers and I usually got the assignments from my boss. A friend of his at the paper in the city of the visiting team would call him and he'd ask me to do it. An extra $75-$100 just to change the lead and a few paragraphs from the gamer I was already doing for my paper? That's a no-brainer.

I once covered a MLS playoff game for five papers, my own, three papers from the area of the visiting team and a national paper. I had to write a completely different story for the national paper, but they paid me about 3X as much to do it, so I didn't mind. Not counting my regular salary, I think I made an extra $450 that night.

 

[jlee]

Ditto.

As long as both companies are aware the writer is doing double duty (and in this case, it might have been one package deal), I don't see anything wrong with it.

Doesn't take any more time than a sider or notes, even when you rework the whole thing (and I usually did).

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I know a guy who covered a minor league baseball team whose paper stopped letting him string for papers that covered the visiting team. They said his copy was coming in much later than was acceptable and they found out that in some instances when he was stringing for a paper in a different time zone or one that had an earlier deadline, he would file the gamer for them earlier than he would for his own paper. After they stopped letting him string, he did it anyway, but would ask that they not run his byline. Some of the papers agreed to it, some didn't. One paper accidentally ran his byline and he ended up getting suspended for a week. During the week he was suspended, he still covered games for other papers. So basically, he was a complete dumbass.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

I know a guy who covered a minor league baseball team whose paper stopped letting him string for papers that covered the visiting team. They said his copy was coming in much later than was acceptable and they found out that in some instances when he was stringing for a paper in a different time zone or one that had an earlier deadline, he would file the gamer for them earlier than he would for his own paper. After they stopped letting him string, he did it anyway, but would ask that they not run his byline. Some of the papers agreed to it, some didn't. One paper accidentally ran his byline and he ended up getting suspended for a week. During the week he was suspended, he still covered games for other papers. So basically, he was a complete dumbass.

Why was he a dumbass? He was looking out for what was best for him, and getting paid for it besides. The paper doesn't give a **** about him.

Now, that being said, he should have taken responsibilty for himself. If he couldn't make deadline for his main paper, then he should have refused the other gig. If he can do both jobs consistently well, then by all means, go for it.

 

[MonsterLobster]

I know a guy who covered a minor league baseball team whose paper stopped letting him string for papers that covered the visiting team. They said his copy was coming in much later than was acceptable and they found out that in some instances when he was stringing for a paper in a different time zone or one that had an earlier deadline, he would file the gamer for them earlier than he would for his own paper. After they stopped letting him string, he did it anyway, but would ask that they not run his byline. Some of the papers agreed to it, some didn't. One paper accidentally ran his byline and he ended up getting suspended for a week. During the week he was suspended, he still covered games for other papers. So basically, he was a complete dumbass.

That man knew how to hustle.

But Baron Scicluna is right. You're a ******* fool not to file for home first. I do this sort of thing a few times a year and I would never have dreamed of doing it the way he did.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

You always file for home first.

 

[lantaur]

Way back when I covered minor league hockey and got a chance to also cover the game for another paper. Another writer in town usually did it but couldn't make the game. After that, the paper called me every time to string it since I actually filed a different gamer than I filed for my paper (I angled it towards their team whereas the other guy filed pretty much the same story). Other guy couldn't figure out why they stopped calling him and were having me do it from then on.

 

[Bamadog]

Always file your story for the folks who sign your checks first. That's a no-brainer. Everyone else can wait.

I've done it a couple of times and I've always tried to give the other paper a story written for their readers. But it gets filed AFTER my primary employer's story. Always. Without exception.

But sometimes, It's really not worth the extra scratch. After a night like that, I feel like my head wants to implode.

 

[MTM]

I often cover prep games for my daily and a weekly that's on the periphery of our circulation area.

Our sports editor purposely assigns me to those game so I can make some extra scratch.

For the weekly, I will change the lead and add extra quotes from its school's coaches and players. That article is often better than my daily because I have time to work on it, unlike the usual 45 minutes or so to complete an article and box.

 

[BillyT]

You always file for home first.

This!

 

[albert77]

You always file for home first.

In most cases you're right, but there are some exceptions. A few years ago, when our Friday night football deadline was a little later than it is now (11:15), I'd double up and do some games for Jackson. Since their deadline for State edition (the only one that mattered in games I did for them) was 10:30, I'd do about 10-12 inches for them, ship it, then finish up with a little more embellishment and 1-2 more quotes for our deadline. Worked for both papers.

 

[Flip Wilson]

The very first high school football game I covered - a long time ago - I got paid by the Waco Tribune-Herald, Fort Worth Star-Telegram and Dallas Times Herald. That was a good night.

 

[wicked]

I used to do this all the time, and I had some very good editors who'd let me coordinate such events. Helped that the second story often was for an afternoon paper, giving me plenty of deadline leeway.

As long as you're not working for direct competitors, I don't see the issue.

I am surprised the Inquirer and Daily News would use the same guy, though. They're still trying to sell separate products, and it'd be nice if they had some variation in their coverage. (Writer of both pieces will have same perspective, etc.)

 

[Shoeless Joe]

I do it all the time for my college football beat in the fall, minor league baseball in the summer and cover racing for my paper and a couple of websites. Any time I can double dip, heck yeah. For the football and baseball, I always writer two stories with different angles. For the racing stories, the website stuff is usually more detailed specifically for knowledgeable readers, so they turn out different, too.

I still laugh at the conversation I had the first time I did this. The sports editor from the visiting team's paper calls and asks if I can send them a story with an angle for their team. I said, "I don't know. I want to go out after the game or my dog's sick or whatever, blah, blah, blah..."
"We need eight inches and pay $75."
"What time would you like it filed?"

 

[forever_town]

If both papers are aware and both are on board, cool.

If you're doing a story for a paper that's essentially your competitor, not cool.

I used to do gamers for the local summer baseball team in Godless County*, and sometimes would rework the stories for our sister paper in Monkey County*. They'd both have my byline on them, but they'd be different stories with different focuses.

*Obviously, the names of the real counties have been changed to protect the not-so innocent.

 

[Dan Hickling]

only two? ... slacker ;D

 

[Mark2010]

Did this just last night. Filed for a sister paper in our chain, whose team was playing here. Because the game ended so late, I didn't have time to write a second version, which I normally would do. But I did make an effort to get post-game quotes from both sides.

 

[fossywriter8]

I have a similiar situation as MTM, only switched -- my full-time job is a weekly and my part-time is a daily.
Six of the eight schools I cover for the weekly (I'm a one-man shop) are also covered by the daily (14 high schools, two small colleges), which is in another town.
I often cover the same event for both, but write separate stories. Sometimes both have the same quotes, sometimes different ones are used.
Both papers are fine with the arrangement and I get to keep a roof over my head and food on the table.
Heck, most of the double-covered coaches know about it and like it because it means one less person they have to talk to for season previews or post-game interviews than if each paper sent someone.

 

[dkphxf]

What about doing a feature using some of the same material for two places?