Baseball scoring question

[KYSportsWriter]

PM'd this to a few people on here, but ...

Guy steals second and the throw sails into the outfield. Guy gets up, tries to make it to 3rd, but is thrown out. Error? No error?

 

[doctorx]

No error.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

Wrong.

E2 on the throw. 2-OF-5 for the putout at third.

 

[crimsonace]

SB, PO 8-5. No error because no extra base was taken on the play.

I think the C wouldn't get an assist because of the wild throw, but I might be wrong (in that case, it's SB, PO 2-8-5).

Either that or ...
No stolen base, E2 (wild throw allowed runner to take 2nd), PO 8-5. That doesn't make much sense, but if a good throw would have gunned the runner down, you can legitimately call an error.

 

[MileHigh]

SB, putout 8-5.

 

[Pantalón del Fuego]

SB, E2 (throw), 8-5 on the putout.

 

[BYH]

SB, E2 (throw), 8-5 on the putout.

I think this is it, too. He gets credit for the SB, no doubt. But you have to give an error for that throw, otherwise he'd never have tried to take third. It was the catcher's errant throw that caused the putout, so you have to account for that.

Yeah but the guy never made it to third. So how can there be an error?

You wouldn't charge the right fielder, for example, if he overran the ball on a routine single and then threw out the overeager runner trying to take second.

 

[Pantalón del Fuego]

I'm trying to figure it out, too.

If there's a runner on 3B and the pitcher throws it to the backstop, but the catcher throws the runner out at home, there is no WP, right?

That makes me think you take away the error in this case. Otherwise, if the pitcher still gets a WP, then the C in this case still gets an E2.

 

[bueller]

Stolen base, no error.

OBR 10:12 (d)

The official scorer shall not charge an error against:
(1) the catcher when the catcher, after receiving the pitch, makes a wild throw attempting to prevent a stolen base, unless the wild throw permits the stealing runner to advance one or more extra bases or permits any other runner to advance one or more bases.

 

[BYH]

Just proves what I've always said.

Never listen to buckweaver when he starts talking about baseball.

 

[Pantalón del Fuego]

Leave it to the rule book to squash our discussions on these situations.

Remember "Ask Hal, the Referee," from The Sporting News? I loved trying to answer those before reading what he had to say.

 

[Petrie]

Bump...different question. I'm a little rusty.

Just covered a game where home team wins, 10-8. Visiting SP gives up first eight runs, including runs that caused final lead change. RP enters with 8-3 deficit...that deficit eventually goes to 9-3 and 10-5. I gave the SP the loss; the school's SID gave it to the RP. Who's right?

 

[SoCalScribe]

If SP departed with his team behind in the score, and his team never tied or led, he takes the loss no matter what else happens.

 

[Petrie]

If SP departed with his team behind in the score, and his team never tied or led, he takes the loss no matter what else happens.

Thanks, SoCal....that's what I thought. Like I said, I'm a little rusty and, frankly, it's too early for baseball anyway. There was snow on the warning track

 

[KevinmH9]

Stolen base, no error.

OBR 10:12 (d)

The official scorer shall not charge an error against:
(1) the catcher when the catcher, after receiving the pitch, makes a wild throw attempting to prevent a stolen base, unless the wild throw permits the stealing runner to advance one or more extra bases or permits any other runner to advance one or more bases.

Is there a PDF file or website that lists these rules? I think it'd be kind of cool just to have it bookmarked for situations like these in the future.

 

[pressboxer]

Stolen base, no error.

OBR 10:12 (d)

The official scorer shall not charge an error against:
(1) the catcher when the catcher, after receiving the pitch, makes a wild throw attempting to prevent a stolen base, unless the wild throw permits the stealing runner to advance one or more extra bases or permits any other runner to advance one or more bases.

Is there a PDF file or website that lists these rules? I think it'd be kind of cool just to have it bookmarked for situations like these in the future.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/foreword.jsp

 

[Smash Williams]

Here's one from a few years back that I'm still struggling with.

Guy on third, one out. On a swinging third strike, the catcher boots the ball after it smacks in and out of his glove and rolls behind him (it's bad high school baseball).

Guy at the plate goes to first, guy at third goes home. Guy coming home is out catcher to the pitcher at home while the batter reaches first safely. If the catcher had chosen to go to first, he would have had the guy there as it took everyone a second to realize what was happening.

Obviously the guy coming home is out 2-to-1. But how does the guy reach first? K-PB, since the catcher booting it allowed the guy to advance, or K-FC, since the other team could have gotten him out at first and did record an out on the play?

The next batter walked, then the guy after that homered, so the original batter in this scenario did end up scoring in the inning. I hate bad high school baseball.

 

[spnited]

K/FC ... runner is out on FC, 2-1

 

[Freelance Hack]

While we're discussing rare scoring plays -- let's bring up this one:

If a relief pitcher comes into the game with a runner on base and said runner is out on a fielder's choice, then the batter who reached safely becomes the responsibility of the pitcher relieved. Had the original base runner not been on base, then the batter would have been out -- so you can't pin the run on the relief pitcher.

 

[spnited]

Dropped third strike (with no runner on first) is live ball. Runners advance at own risk.
No different than a grounder to second with a man on third.