All-Star Game selections thread

[outofplace]

Gorzelanny getting a 3.05 ERA over 112 innings is more impressive to me than a righty with a 2.90.

Harder to get guys out as a lefty. Not up for debate among the sane. Is it?

I'll have to remember that left-handers are awarded a handicap in All-Star selections. Shall we give right-handed hitters a break because there job is more difficult?

Last I heard, they try to go with the guys who perform the best. Ian Snell has outperformed Gorzelanny so far and, from my viewpoint, is the better pitcher of the two.

Because he's left-handed, Gorzelanny is the more valuable commodity, of course, so over time he'll be paid better and likely have a longer career if he chooses.

Simon, I wasn't directly quoting you. Paraphrasing with a bit of hyperbole for the sake of humor. I was the one agreeing with you that ERA is the most important of the pitching statistics. I don't think it is the only one you use, but it's the first one I look at.

And cran's right. You don't give a lefty an edge when you are judging performance for an all-star team. Snell has been more effective, as shown in the ERA. He is more deserving.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Gorzelanny getting a 3.05 ERA over 112 innings is more impressive to me than a righty with a 2.90.

Harder to get guys out as a lefty. Not up for debate among the sane. Is it?

I'll have to remember that left-handers are awarded a handicap in All-Star selections. Shall we give right-handed hitters a break because there job is more difficult?

Last I heard, they try to go with the guys who perform the best. Ian Snell has outperformed Gorzelanny so far and, from my viewpoint, is the better pitcher of the two.

Because he's left-handed, Gorzelanny is the more valuable commodity, of course, so over time he'll be paid better and likely have a longer career if he chooses.

Simon, I wasn't directly quoting you. Paraphrasing with a bit of hyperbole for the sake of humor. I was the one agreeing with you that ERA is the most important of the pitching statistics. I don't think it is the only one you use, but it's the first one I look at.

And cran's right. You don't give a lefty an edge when you are judging performance for an all-star team. Snell has been more effective, as shown in the ERA. He is more deserving.

However you want to put it, Gorzelanny's numbers are the greater accomplishment.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Gorzelanny getting a 3.05 ERA over 112 innings is more impressive to me than a righty with a 2.90.

Harder to get guys out as a lefty. Not up for debate among the sane. Is it?

I'll have to remember that left-handers are awarded a handicap in All-Star selections. Shall we give right-handed hitters a break because their job is more difficult?

Last I heard, they try to go with the guys who perform the best. Ian Snell has outperformed Gorzelanny so far and, from my viewpoint, is the better pitcher of the two.

Because he's left-handed, Gorzelanny is the more valuable commodity, of course, so over time he'll be paid better and likely have a longer career if he chooses.

The ERAs are very close.

I will go with the lefty every time in that circumstance.

And, yes, right-handed hitters, have a tougher job than lefties over a full season, again all other factors held equal.

 

[outofplace]

Gorzelanny getting a 3.05 ERA over 112 innings is more impressive to me than a righty with a 2.90.

Harder to get guys out as a lefty. Not up for debate among the sane. Is it?

I'll have to remember that left-handers are awarded a handicap in All-Star selections. Shall we give right-handed hitters a break because there job is more difficult?

Last I heard, they try to go with the guys who perform the best. Ian Snell has outperformed Gorzelanny so far and, from my viewpoint, is the better pitcher of the two.

Because he's left-handed, Gorzelanny is the more valuable commodity, of course, so over time he'll be paid better and likely have a longer career if he chooses.

Simon, I wasn't directly quoting you. Paraphrasing with a bit of hyperbole for the sake of humor. I was the one agreeing with you that ERA is the most important of the pitching statistics. I don't think it is the only one you use, but it's the first one I look at.

And cran's right. You don't give a lefty an edge when you are judging performance for an all-star team. Snell has been more effective, as shown in the ERA. He is more deserving.

However you want to put it, Gorzelanny's numbers are the greater accomplishment.

How? Snell has the better ERA, more strikeouts in one fewer start and a lower WHIP. He is also currently the team's ace and opened the season as the No. 2 starter, which may explain why Gorzelanny has gotten the superior run support that is primarily responsible for him having a better record.

Snell is the better pitcher. Has been all season. And I'll take all those statistics above over you just insisting that Gorzelanny's inferior numbers are the greater accomplishment.

 

[Chi City 81]

Gorzelanny getting a 3.05 ERA over 112 innings is more impressive to me than a righty with a 2.90.

Harder to get guys out as a lefty. Not up for debate among the sane. Is it?

I'll have to remember that left-handers are awarded a handicap in All-Star selections. Shall we give right-handed hitters a break because there job is more difficult?

Last I heard, they try to go with the guys who perform the best. Ian Snell has outperformed Gorzelanny so far and, from my viewpoint, is the better pitcher of the two.

Because he's left-handed, Gorzelanny is the more valuable commodity, of course, so over time he'll be paid better and likely have a longer career if he chooses.

Simon, I wasn't directly quoting you. Paraphrasing with a bit of hyperbole for the sake of humor. I was the one agreeing with you that ERA is the most important of the pitching statistics. I don't think it is the only one you use, but it's the first one I look at.

And cran's right. You don't give a lefty an edge when you are judging performance for an all-star team. Snell has been more effective, as shown in the ERA. He is more deserving.

However you want to put it, Gorzelanny's numbers are the greater accomplishment.

How? Snell has the better ERA, more strikeouts in one fewer start and a lower WHIP. He is also currently the team's ace and opened the season as the No. 2 starter, which may explain why Gorzelanny has gotten the superior run support that is primarily responsible for him having a better record.

Snell is the better pitcher. Has been all season. And I'll take all those statistics above over you just insisting that Gorzelanny's inferior numbers are the greater accomplishment.

Plus, you know, the fact that as a Pirates fan, you may know more about the two than Pube, who may have seen each pitch once or twice this year.

 

[outofplace]

Gorzelanny getting a 3.05 ERA over 112 innings is more impressive to me than a righty with a 2.90.

Harder to get guys out as a lefty. Not up for debate among the sane. Is it?

I'll have to remember that left-handers are awarded a handicap in All-Star selections. Shall we give right-handed hitters a break because there job is more difficult?

Last I heard, they try to go with the guys who perform the best. Ian Snell has outperformed Gorzelanny so far and, from my viewpoint, is the better pitcher of the two.

Because he's left-handed, Gorzelanny is the more valuable commodity, of course, so over time he'll be paid better and likely have a longer career if he chooses.

Simon, I wasn't directly quoting you. Paraphrasing with a bit of hyperbole for the sake of humor. I was the one agreeing with you that ERA is the most important of the pitching statistics. I don't think it is the only one you use, but it's the first one I look at.

And cran's right. You don't give a lefty an edge when you are judging performance for an all-star team. Snell has been more effective, as shown in the ERA. He is more deserving.

However you want to put it, Gorzelanny's numbers are the greater accomplishment.

How? Snell has the better ERA, more strikeouts in one fewer start and a lower WHIP. He is also currently the team's ace and opened the season as the No. 2 starter, which may explain why Gorzelanny has gotten the superior run support that is primarily responsible for him having a better record.

Snell is the better pitcher. Has been all season. And I'll take all those statistics above over you just insisting that Gorzelanny's inferior numbers are the greater accomplishment.

Plus, you know, the fact that as a Pirates fan, you may know more about the two than Pube, who may have seen each pitch once or twice this year.

What, you don't think the fact that Gorzy throws left-handed trumps that? hehe

 

[Oz]

How? Snell has the better ERA, more strikeouts in one fewer start and a lower WHIP. He is also currently the team's ace and opened the season as the No. 2 starter, which may explain why Gorzelanny has gotten the superior run support that is primarily responsible for him having a better record.

Snell is the better pitcher. Has been all season. And I'll take all those statistics above over you just insisting that Gorzelanny's inferior numbers are the greater accomplishment.

What he said. Snell been the better pitcher this season.

 

[Starman]

They need to do away with the one team/one rep system. This isn't t-ball, it doesn't have to be fair. It should be the best players, period. Gil Meche won't even see the mound... do you really think there's this huge feeling of satisfaction in KC that one of their guys made the team?

The mandatory-rep rule was OK when there were 12 teams per league. It doesn't work now.

The team should be selected in its entirety -- starters voted in by fans, pitchers and reserves selected by managers, a full roster of 25 players -- and then, if any team does not have a selection, THEN one player from each team should be added as a "mandatory representative."

They come to the game, put on their uniforms, smile for the cameras, come out for pregame intros.

But they don't get in the game until every other player has played.

Which might also solve the nightmare-scenarios for extra-inning games, too, since even if a game went to extra innings, each team would probably have 3-4 guys left on the bench.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Gorzelanny getting a 3.05 ERA over 112 innings is more impressive to me than a righty with a 2.90.

Harder to get guys out as a lefty. Not up for debate among the sane. Is it?

I'll have to remember that left-handers are awarded a handicap in All-Star selections. Shall we give right-handed hitters a break because there job is more difficult?

Last I heard, they try to go with the guys who perform the best. Ian Snell has outperformed Gorzelanny so far and, from my viewpoint, is the better pitcher of the two.

Because he's left-handed, Gorzelanny is the more valuable commodity, of course, so over time he'll be paid better and likely have a longer career if he chooses.

Simon, I wasn't directly quoting you. Paraphrasing with a bit of hyperbole for the sake of humor. I was the one agreeing with you that ERA is the most important of the pitching statistics. I don't think it is the only one you use, but it's the first one I look at.

And cran's right. You don't give a lefty an edge when you are judging performance for an all-star team. Snell has been more effective, as shown in the ERA. He is more deserving.

However you want to put it, Gorzelanny's numbers are the greater accomplishment.

How? Snell has the better ERA, more strikeouts in one fewer start and a lower WHIP. He is also currently the team's ace and opened the season as the No. 2 starter, which may explain why Gorzelanny has gotten the superior run support that is primarily responsible for him having a better record.

Snell is the better pitcher. Has been all season. And I'll take all those statistics above over you just insisting that Gorzelanny's inferior numbers are the greater accomplishment.

OK...OK.

I am obviously wrong.

Right-handed hitters DON'T have significantly better offensive numbers across the board against lefties than they do against righties.....

And Righties DON'T make up 70 percent of the majors....

Phew, glad you Mensa stalwarts straightened me out.

 

[spnited]

Chris Young and Hideki Okijima win the fan vote for ther final spots... no problem with either one.

But .....

Smoltz bails out with sore shoulder is replaced by Roy Oswalt (7-5, 3.52). John Maine (10-4, 2.71 after last night's win) gets totally screwed again as reputation prevails over reality.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Chris Young and Hideki Okijima win the fan vote for ther final spots... no problem with either one.

But .....

Smoltz bails out with sore shoulder is replaced by Roy Oswalt (7-5, 3.52). John Maine (10-4, 2.71 after last night's win) gets totally screwed again as reputation prevails over reality.

I bet Maine ends up there.

 

[Oz]

Smoltz bails out with sore shoulder is replaced by Roy Oswalt (7-5, 3.52). John Maine (10-4, 2.71 after last night's win) gets totally screwed again as reputation prevails over reality.

John Maine might have been screwed there, but so was Ian Snell, who has similar numbers. But Maine pitches for the Mets, so he gets more run support and more hype than Snell does.

 

[spnited]

I wouldn't complain about Snell being there, either, Oz.

 

[Oz]

If either one make it, that would be a good call for the NL. They both deserve it.

 

[spnited]

Had they said Snell was replacing Smoltz, I'd have had no complaint ... well, less of a complaint