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If a lede is not up to snuff, no reason to not rework or scrap it, in consultation with the writer at some point. I dont get the sacredness of the lede as far as editing it. It is no different than the 15th graf as far as the potential for it to be off the mark. Sounds like a diva move on Robinson's part
 
dooley_womack1 said:
If a lede is not up to snuff, no reason to not rework or scrap it, in consultation with the writer at some point. I dont get the sacredness of the lede as far as editing it. It is no different than the 15th graf as far as the potential for it to be off the mark. Sounds like a diva move on Robinson's part

You rewrite a lede, I would think you would take the writer's name off the story.

To me, the first three inches of a gamer are 10 times as important as the remaining 12 inches.
 
OK, 93, going by your logic, an editor should be 10 times more vigilant about making sure the first 3 inches are as good as can be
 
dooley_womack1 said:
OK, 93, going by your logic, an editor should be 10 times more vigilant about making sure the first 3 inches are as good as can be

Sure. But if you screw with it, you better take the writer's name off of the story because they took 10 times the effort on those inches than the rest of the story.
 
That's a crock of crap. What difference does it make how much time was spent? If it didnt work, it didnt work
 
dooley_womack1 said:
That's a crock of crap. What difference does it make how much time was spent? If it didnt work, it didnt work

So you hack a lede just as fast as you hack the 14th inch?

Mind you, this is not some young kid's lede you are torching.
 
I could give a crap about age. If it needs fixing, I could give a darn about its location
 
dooley_womack1 said:
I could give a crap about age. If it needs fixing, I could give a darn about its location

Fixed for an error or fixed for taste and personal opinion?

FWIW, I read an AP story today on Rasheed Mendenhall that attributed "Ground Chuck" football to the wrong coach.
 
93Devil said:
dooley_womack1 said:
I could give a crap about age. If it needs fixing, I could give a darn about its location

Fixed for an error or fixed for taste and personal opinion?

FWIW, I read an AP story today on Rasheed Mendenhall that attributed "Ground Chuck" football to the wrong coach.

Depending on what graf it was in, big deal.
 
93Devil said:
Fixed for an error or fixed for taste and personal opinion?

FWIW, I read an AP story today on Rasheed Mendenhall that attributed "Ground Chuck" football to the wrong coach.

FAIL.

Making a point about corrections doesn't carry a lot of weight when you can't spell the first name of your favorite team's starting running back.
 
Trey Beamon said:
93Devil said:
Fixed for an error or fixed for taste and personal opinion?

FWIW, I read an AP story today on Rasheed Mendenhall that attributed "Ground Chuck" football to the wrong coach.

FAIL.

Making a point about corrections doesn't carry a lot of weight when you can't spell the first name of your favorite team's starting running back.

Steeler fan-on-Steeler fan violence!
 
YGBFKM said:
Trey Beamon said:
93Devil said:
Fixed for an error or fixed for taste and personal opinion?

FWIW, I read an AP story today on Rasheed Mendenhall that attributed "Ground Chuck" football to the wrong coach.

FAIL.

Making a point about corrections doesn't carry a lot of weight when you can't spell the first name of your favorite team's starting running back.

Steeler fan-on-Steeler fan violence!

Damn. I didn't even get the name right. I guess I am not that much of a fanboy afterall.
 
93Devil said:
YGBFKM said:
Trey Beamon said:
93Devil said:
Fixed for an error or fixed for taste and personal opinion?

FWIW, I read an AP story today on Rasheed Mendenhall that attributed "Ground Chuck" football to the wrong coach.

FAIL.

Making a point about corrections doesn't carry a lot of weight when you can't spell the first name of your favorite team's starting running back.

Steeler fan-on-Steeler fan violence!

Damn. I didn't even get the name right. I guess I am not that much of a fanboy afterall.

And here I thought you were quoting a misspelling of Mendenhall's first name from the story to make your point.
 
HanSenSE said:
sportseditorbob said:
It's my understanding this was after about 20 inches or so of copy were on the wire and they were in the rewrite process. His optional lead wasn't changed but instead he wasn't allowed to write it. A sports editor who was not at the game stepped in and wrote it instead.

HanSenSE said:
Are we talking about the NewsNow file, or the first writethrough? And how, in most cases, could be screwed up about "Pete Pigskin scored three touchdowns to lead Podunk past Smalltown 24-7 Sunday night" that would require someone not at the stadium to do the story?

Something's really not adding up to me. Obviously, there's more than a dispute over the tone of a simple gamer here. But at the same time, someone who wasn't at the game, and may not have even watched it on the tube, is writing the story under someone else's byline? Am I missing something here? Or does this happen often on higher levels of writing??

Yes, this happens all the time, at least at AP. I wrote hundreds of stories under other people's bylines for breaking news and sports, as they dictated in from the field. Some would dictate a lede, others would just dump their notebooks. The byline at AP goes to the person on the scene of the event, but it's usually written elsewhere, and usually by more than one person.

I can't tell you how many times I'd work with a staffer in the field, and then they'd come back to the bureau hours later to read what "they" wrote for the wire. But it was rarely an adversarial thing, and staffers always had influence on a story if they didn't like the lede or the flow.

Usually AP reporters get their best chance to "write" with enterprise, second-day stories or an AMer of a game story. But there's no time and way too many editors involved for a reporter to have the luxury of writing his or her own breaking news story at AP.
 
When you read an international story written by someone with a foreign name, the story is written by an editor at a bureau. The reporter calls in the details and the quotes, and the editor writes the entire story.
 
beanpole said:
HanSenSE said:
sportseditorbob said:
It's my understanding this was after about 20 inches or so of copy were on the wire and they were in the rewrite process. His optional lead wasn't changed but instead he wasn't allowed to write it. A sports editor who was not at the game stepped in and wrote it instead.

HanSenSE said:
Are we talking about the NewsNow file, or the first writethrough? And how, in most cases, could be screwed up about "Pete Pigskin scored three touchdowns to lead Podunk past Smalltown 24-7 Sunday night" that would require someone not at the stadium to do the story?

Something's really not adding up to me. Obviously, there's more than a dispute over the tone of a simple gamer here. But at the same time, someone who wasn't at the game, and may not have even watched it on the tube, is writing the story under someone else's byline? Am I missing something here? Or does this happen often on higher levels of writing??

Yes, this happens all the time, at least at AP. I wrote hundreds of stories under other people's bylines for breaking news and sports, as they dictated in from the field. Some would dictate a lede, others would just dump their notebooks. The byline at AP goes to the person on the scene of the event, but it's usually written elsewhere, and usually by more than one person.

I can't tell you how many times I'd work with a staffer in the field, and then they'd come back to the bureau hours later to read what "they" wrote for the wire. But it was rarely an adversarial thing, and staffers always had influence on a story if they didn't like the lede or the flow.

Usually AP reporters get their best chance to "write" with enterprise, second-day stories or an AMer of a game story. But there's no time and way too many editors involved for a reporter to have the luxury of writing his or her own breaking news story at AP.


That rarely happens on sports. When it's a baseball night and eight games are coming in at the same time, they don't have time (or desire) to screw around and overhandle the leads. They may make some routine editing changes, but 99% of the time, the story on the wire is essentially what the staffer has filed from the ballpark.
 
Smasher_Sloan said:
beanpole said:
HanSenSE said:
sportseditorbob said:
It's my understanding this was after about 20 inches or so of copy were on the wire and they were in the rewrite process. His optional lead wasn't changed but instead he wasn't allowed to write it. A sports editor who was not at the game stepped in and wrote it instead.

HanSenSE said:
Are we talking about the NewsNow file, or the first writethrough? And how, in most cases, could be screwed up about "Pete Pigskin scored three touchdowns to lead Podunk past Smalltown 24-7 Sunday night" that would require someone not at the stadium to do the story?

Something's really not adding up to me. Obviously, there's more than a dispute over the tone of a simple gamer here. But at the same time, someone who wasn't at the game, and may not have even watched it on the tube, is writing the story under someone else's byline? Am I missing something here? Or does this happen often on higher levels of writing??

Yes, this happens all the time, at least at AP. I wrote hundreds of stories under other people's bylines for breaking news and sports, as they dictated in from the field. Some would dictate a lede, others would just dump their notebooks. The byline at AP goes to the person on the scene of the event, but it's usually written elsewhere, and usually by more than one person.

I can't tell you how many times I'd work with a staffer in the field, and then they'd come back to the bureau hours later to read what "they" wrote for the wire. But it was rarely an adversarial thing, and staffers always had influence on a story if they didn't like the lede or the flow.

Usually AP reporters get their best chance to "write" with enterprise, second-day stories or an AMer of a game story. But there's no time and way too many editors involved for a reporter to have the luxury of writing his or her own breaking news story at AP.


That rarely happens on sports. When it's a baseball night and eight games are coming in at the same time, they don't have time (or desire) to screw around and overhandle the leads. They may make some routine editing changes, but 99% of the time, the story on the wire is essentially what the staffer has filed from the ballpark.

That's what I would think too, Smasher. Calling in or writing up notes just to email them to a deskman and have him/her do the work may have been the routine once upon a time ... like in the movies when they duck into a phone booth and say "Give me rewrite!" And I can see it in a complex story, like, say, Egypt. But if you're gonna pay a reporter to be there, let him/her do the work. Otherwise, just write it off the Gamecast or Automated Scorebook and get quotes from the PR follks.
 

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