A Rod to Miami?

[Elliotte Friedman]

Re: The ARod question

You guys made the Pittsburgh comment as a joke, but here's my question: how much would it be worth for another team to take him? Obviously, the Yankees would have a to swallow a very nice chunk, but would another team who needs a spike in interest/sales do it?

 

[Cubbiebum]

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Do people really think a 3B who hits .270+ with an OBP of .350+ and shows 20 HR power isn't good? Is Arod what he used to be? No. But he is still a good starting 3B.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Re: The ARod question

You guys made the Pittsburgh comment as a joke, but here's my question: how much would it be worth for another team to take him? Obviously, the Yankees would have a to swallow a very nice chunk, but would another team who needs a spike in interest/sales do it?

I bet the marlins would. Hometown hero and all.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Re: The ARod question

You guys made the Pittsburgh comment as a joke, but here's my question: how much would it be worth for another team to take him? Obviously, the Yankees would have a to swallow a very nice chunk, but would another team who needs a spike in interest/sales do it?

It would have to be an American League team at this point but I just don't see how much of a bump you'd get ticket-wise with the move.

 

[RickStain]

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You guys made the Pittsburgh comment as a joke, but here's my question: how much would it be worth for another team to take him? Obviously, the Yankees would have a to swallow a very nice chunk, but would another team who needs a spike in interest/sales do it?

On a one-year deal, he's probably worth $12-15 million right now and trending downward. But on a five-year commitment, you want a discount, and it's really only worthwhile if you are an AL team that needs a part-time 3b part-time DH.

He's got $114 million left, plus the HR bonuses. I'd need the Yankees to pick up $84 million of that plus the bonuses before I even think about it.

 

[RickStain]

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Do people really think a 3B who hits .270+ with an OBP of .350+ and shows 20 HR power isn't good? Is Arod what he used to be? No. But he is still a good starting 3B.

When his defense sucks, he can't stay healthy and he can't play in the field full-time, it's pretty average.

The average MLB 3b this season his .266 with a .327 and 18 HRs/600 PAs. So A-Rod's offense wasn't that much better than average for 3b, and that was in a good hitter's park.

 

[Boom_70]

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A Rod would be perfect for The Dodgers as now constituted. Donnie Baseball could help him through his downward spiral.

 

[Boom_70]

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Do people really think a 3B who hits .270+ with an OBP of .350+ and shows 20 HR power isn't good? Is Arod what he used to be? No. But he is still a good starting 3B.

When his defense sucks, he can't stay healthy and he can't play in the field full-time, it's pretty average.

The average MLB 3b this season his .266 with a .327 and 18 HRs/600 PAs. So A-Rod's offense wasn't that much better than average for 3b, and that was in a good hitter's park.

And he is making 20 mil for those numbers.

 

[Della9250]

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I said it on another thread but the HR bonuses after he passes Mays won't be an issue with the way he is going.

I'd be intrigued by an A-Rod to the Dodgers for Andre Either swap. The money is almost equal -- 98 mil to 114 mil (not counting the bonuses) and by the end it is virtually dollar for dollar (17.5 mil to 20 mil in year 5).

Eithier replaces Swisher in right and the Dodgers don't have that crazy logjam coming in the outfield.

 

[Della9250]

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Do people really think a 3B who hits .270+ with an OBP of .350+ and shows 20 HR power isn't good? Is Arod what he used to be? No. But he is still a good starting 3B.

When his defense sucks, he can't stay healthy and he can't play in the field full-time, it's pretty average.

The average MLB 3b this season his .266 with a .327 and 18 HRs/600 PAs. So A-Rod's offense wasn't that much better than average for 3b, and that was in a good hitter's park.

And he is making 20 mil for those numbers.

Actually it's worse. He got 29 mil for 2012.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

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You should be able to look at a ball player and see that they are a gamer. I've watched A Rod a lot and he has never struck me as one. As example you watch David Ortiz in big situations and you know he will make something happen most time. I've never felt that way about A Rod. When a game is on the line A Rod has never been the type of player that says it's on me.

Agree completely. I always think back to George Brett in Game 3 of the 1985 ALCS when the Royals were down 0-2 and he just put the team on his back and carried them in that game. Jeter has done that. Schilling did that. There are others as well... For a player who has put up the stats that A-Rod has, he never inspires any confidence in the postseason.

 

[LongTimeListener]

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I said it on another thread but the HR bonuses after he passes Mays won't be an issue with the way he is going.

I'd be intrigued by an A-Rod to the Dodgers for Andre Either swap. The money is almost equal -- 98 mil to 114 mil (not counting the bonuses) and by the end it is virtually dollar for dollar (17.5 mil to 20 mil in year 5).

Eithier replaces Swisher in right and the Dodgers don't have that crazy logjam coming in the outfield.

The Dodgers would be better off making Ethier a left-handed third baseman than they would be trading him for A-Rod.

 

[Della9250]

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That's probably true, but paying Either 17.5 mil for the final two years of that deal doesn't make a lot of sense considering the money they are paying/will have to pay to others on the roster.

 

[Riptide]

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The Marlins should take him. Get that average attendance up to 7,400.

 

[Azrael]

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Jeter, a year older than A-Rod, stank up the joint the last two years hitting well off his career average. This year he bounces back and hits .316. It happens.

A-Rod might bounce back, too.

 

[RickStain]

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You should be able to look at a ball player and see that they are a gamer. I've watched A Rod a lot and he has never struck me as one. As example you watch David Ortiz in big situations and you know he will make something happen most time. I've never felt that way about A Rod. When a game is on the line A Rod has never been the type of player that says it's on me.

Agree completely. I always think back to George Brett in Game 3 of the 1985 ALCS when the Royals were down 0-2 and he just put the team on his back and carried them in that game. Jeter has done that. Schilling did that. There are others as well... For a player who has put up the stats that A-Rod has, he never inspires any confidence in the postseason.

Yet another so-called baseball fan who just turned off the entire 2009 playoffs and never bothered to check what happened.

It's all about the story for some people, no matter the truth. If they can fit things into a story, that story must be true, especially if it's a story they like.

The Kansas City pitching staff that held Toronto to 2.6 runs per game in the final five games of that series might want some credit, but that wouldn't fit the "Brett carried them" story.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

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You should be able to look at a ball player and see that they are a gamer. I've watched A Rod a lot and he has never struck me as one. As example you watch David Ortiz in big situations and you know he will make something happen most time. I've never felt that way about A Rod. When a game is on the line A Rod has never been the type of player that says it's on me.

Agree completely. I always think back to George Brett in Game 3 of the 1985 ALCS when the Royals were down 0-2 and he just put the team on his back and carried them in that game. Jeter has done that. Schilling did that. There are others as well... For a player who has put up the stats that A-Rod has, he never inspires any confidence in the postseason.

Yet another so-called baseball fan who just turned off the entire 2009 playoffs and never bothered to check what happened.

It's all about the story for some people, no matter the truth. If they can fit things into a story, that story must be true, especially if it's a story they like.

The Kansas City pitching staff that held Toronto to 2.6 runs per game in the final five games of that series might want some credit, but that wouldn't fit the "Brett carried them" story.

I'm talking about a single game in that series. In that game, Brett carried them.

 

[Double Down]

Re: The ARod question

You guys made the Pittsburgh comment as a joke, but here's my question: how much would it be worth for another team to take him? Obviously, the Yankees would have a to swallow a very nice chunk, but would another team who needs a spike in interest/sales do it?

On a one-year deal, he's probably worth $12-15 million right now and trending downward. But on a five-year commitment, you want a discount, and it's really only worthwhile if you are an AL team that needs a part-time 3b part-time DH.

He's got $114 million left, plus the HR bonuses. I'd need the Yankees to pick up $84 million of that plus the bonuses before I even think about it.

After the fact that -- buy any objective measure -- he's one of the greatest infielders of all time, his other lasting legacy may be that he helped us all recalibrate our expectations for the way an aging superstar is likely to perform as he inches toward 40. The Bonds stuff ****ed with everyone's expectations. It's ridiculous to think ARod was going to continue to be the player he was at 32 when he got to be 38. He's never going to stay healthy for a full season anymore (he hasn't played 140 games since 2007), he's never going to have the bat speed he once did (Fangraphs says 31 percent of his swings come on pitches outside the zone, easily the highest percentage of his career, which means he's straight up guessing more than ever), and playing in that city, there is no way he can go out there at 38 if he's hitting .220 over a full season and slugging in the .300s. And those are very real possibilities.

If I were a GM looking seriously at Josh Hamilton, I would take a long look at what's happening to Rodriguez right now. I can't fathom how anyone could offer Hamilton a deal longer than 5 years.

As for the likelihood of a Jeter bounce-back year, I think one of the most fascinating things about Rodriguez throughout his career is how human he really is. I'm not sure any great baseball player has been plagued by personal doubts the way he has. It's conjecture to feel this way about Jeter, of course, but you always get the sense he survived his slumps by living in total denial. Rodriguez seems to wonder if, deep down, this is who he really is.

From a technical standpoint, A-Rod would probably need to shorten his swing to have a "bounce-back" year like Jeter did, which would mean sacrificing even more power. And probably change his hitting philosophy as well. Schilling (and his four chins) was saying on Baseball Tonight recently that Rodriguez has always been a big-time guess hitter. He was able to survive like that because he had quick hands and quick hips. Now his hip is shot and his hands aren't as quick anymore, and it's harder to survive if you don't guess right.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

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I wonder how long of a deal Hamilton will get. I wouldn't be surprised at all if some team was stupid enough to give him a six-year deal...

 

[LongTimeListener]

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I wonder how long of a deal Hamilton will get. I wouldn't be surprised at all if some team was stupid enough to give him a six-year deal...

It sure won't be the Rangers. Nolan Ryan ripped him yesterday for the timing of his decision to quit tobacco.