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[Birdscribe]

Buster Olney filled in for Golic one day in the past few weeks, and they discussed this.

Which needs to happen more than one day, BTW. Talk about addition by subtraction.

Threadjack over. Carry on.

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

Blyleven also had 60 shutouts in addition to his 3,700+ strikeouts. I know he also was lit up for home runs and he doesn't have that 300-win barrier (what, 286 or 287?), but Blyleven was also on two World Series teams (Pirates 1979, Twins 1987). He's a HOF to me.

Interesting that Blyleven is credited with being on two WS winners; the past argument in his favor has been that he labored on too many bad teams.

He was the No. 3 starter on the '79 Pirates behind Candelaria and Kison. He made only one start in the WS while Candelaria and Bibby made two.

On the '87 Twins, he was No. 2 to Viola.

 

[zeke12]

And Smasher, dear Smasher, how old was he when he helped that Twins team win a WS?

Somehow, there's shame in being a No. 2 at that age?

 

[Guy_Incognito]

And Smasher, dear Smasher, how old was he when he helped that Twins team win a WS?

Somehow, there's shame in being a No. 2 at that age?

No but if you want to get in the HOF, you should probably be the ace of a good team at one point in your career, with exceptions for obvious reasons for guys like Drysdale, Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling, Hurst etc. who happened to pitch with all-time greats.

 

[buckweaver]

And Smasher, dear Smasher, how old was he when he helped that Twins team win a WS?

Somehow, there's shame in being a No. 2 at that age?

No but if you want to get in the HOF, you should probably be the ace of a good team at one point in your career, with exceptions for obvious reasons for guys like Drysdale, Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling, Hurst etc. who happened to pitch with all-time greats.

Uhh, no offense, but Glavine was definitely the ace of the 1991-94 Braves (Maddux didn't really take over as the Braves' No. 1 until after his '94 CYA season and that otherworldly '95 season, and even then, you could make a very, very strong case that neither of them was ever really the No. 2 when both were in Atlanta.)

 

[Columbo]

And Smasher, dear Smasher, how old was he when he helped that Twins team win a WS?

Somehow, there's shame in being a No. 2 at that age?

No but if you want to get in the HOF, you should probably be the ace of a good team at one point in your career, with exceptions for obvious reasons for guys like Drysdale, Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling, Hurst etc. who happened to pitch with all-time greats.

Uhh, no offense, but Glavine was definitely the ace of the 1991-94 Braves (Maddux didn't really take over as the Braves' No. 1 until after his '94 CYA season and that otherworldly '95 season, and even then, you could make a very, very strong case that neither of them was ever really the No. 2 when both were in Atlanta.)

I thought Maddux started opening day in 1994.

 

[buckweaver]

He did. http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/atl/history/opening_day_lineups.jsp

But Bobby Cox has never been about making "statements" based on who he starts on Opening Day.

Glavine got the nod in '90, after a solid season in '89. Smoltz got the nod in '91, after a solid season in '90. ... Glavine got the nod in '92 and '99, the years after he won the CYA ... Maddux got it in '93-'96, the years after he won the CYA ... Smoltz got it in '97, the year after he won the CYA.

Then Maddux got it in '98, Glavine got it in '99, Maddux got it again in '00, Burkett got it in '01, Glavine got it in '02 and Maddux got it in '03.

(Although it should be noted that Glavine got the Opening Day nod three times with the Mets, '03, '04 and '06, fwiw. Maddux had another Opening Day start for the Cubs, in '92.)

Again, not really a statement of "ace" status for Cox, nor for the Braves.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

And Smasher, dear Smasher, how old was he when he helped that Twins team win a WS?

Somehow, there's shame in being a No. 2 at that age?

No but if you want to get in the HOF, you should probably be the ace of a good team at one point in your career, with exceptions for obvious reasons for guys like Drysdale, Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling, Hurst etc. who happened to pitch with all-time greats.

Uhh, no offense, but Glavine was definitely the ace of the 1991-94 Braves (Maddux didn't really take over as the Braves' No. 1 until after his '94 CYA season and that otherworldly '95 season, and even then, you could make a very, very strong case that neither of them was ever really the No. 2 when both were in Atlanta.)

OK, point remains the same.