150th Anniversary of Gettysburg Address

[YankeeFan]

Next week is the 150th Anniversary of the Gettysburg Address.

Here's some background on it from the Ken Burns Civil War Documentary: http://bit.ly/1a0FtkC

What I didn't know, or had forgotten, was that he followed a speech that was nearly two hours long.

Who has been to Gettysburg? Did you ever learn/memorize the speech? Is it the greatest speech ever?

What other thought do you have regarding the Gettysburg Address?

 

[Boom_70]

Yes, No, Yes
None

 

[heyabbott]

fact or fiction: he finished it on the back of an envelope on the trip from DC to Gettysburg.

The Battle/Siege of Vicksburg was arguably more important than Gettysburg, as Meade let Lee retreat prolonging the war for another 20 months or so. Both Battles ended on July 4, 1863. With Vicksburg under Union control, the Mississippi was under Union control, thus the West was won for the Union.

Burns documentary got me to read SHelby Foote's Civil War trilogy. The single most enjoyable reading experience of my life.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Poor Edward Everett. Spoke for 2 hours, then had two mere minutes consign him to be a footnote in history. He did serve as Secretary of State very briefly.

One thing that I learned about the day of the speech in college: The battlefield was obviously a wreck, and while the bodies of the soldiers had been buried, there had been so many of them, that there hadn't been time to bury the dead horses, so there were rotting horses and skeletons all over the field when Lincoln and Everett made their speeches.

 

[H.L. Mencken]

If I recall correctly from Burns or Foote, Lincoln wasn't quite booed as he left the stage, but the audience had almost no reaction and it was quite some time (like after the speech was printed in papers and digested and analyzed) before the gravity of what was said was understood by people.

 

[micropolitan guy]

Who has been to Gettysburg?

>>> I have, about 40 times. Amazing place.

Did you ever learn/memorize the speech?

>>>> Yes, in 7th or 8th-grade civics.

Is it the greatest speech ever?

>>> In American history, yes, I think so, especially considering its brevity. Some of Churchill's during WWII are its equal, I think.

What other thought do you have regarding the Gettysburg Address?

>>> Lincoln summarized the American experience in less than 500 words. It's a beautiful piece of writing. The "We cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground" and the "of the people, by the people, and for the people" phrases are spot-on perfect.

 

[heyabbott]

Who has been to Gettysburg?

>>> I have, about 40 times. Amazing place.

Did you ever learn/memorize the speech?

>>>> Yes, in 7th or 8th-grade civics.

Is it the greatest speech ever?

>>> In American history, yes, I think so, especially considering its brevity. Some of Churchill's during WWII are its equal, I think.

What other thought do you have regarding the Gettysburg Address?

>>> Lincoln summarized the American experience in less than 500 words. It's a beautiful piece of writing. The "We cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground" and the "of the people, by the people, and for the people" phrases are spot-on perfect.

The classics of antiquity, Shakespeare and the Old Testament (or in my house The Testament) were Lincoln's foundation of education. His ability to write and orate come largely from this body of literature which is now mostly relegated to post graduate study. RIP OWM, Old White Men.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

If I recall correctly from Burns or Foote, Lincoln wasn't quite booed as he left the stage, but the audience had almost no reaction and it was quite some time (like after the speech was printed in papers and digested and analyzed) before the gravity of what was said was understood by people.

Heck, the audience might have been, like, "That's his whole speech? Two lousy minutes?"

 

[Starman]

Almost all of the 'classical' depictions of the scene show Lincoln standing up on a wooden podium to address the crowd, but the one actual photograph of the scene shows him standing in the MIDDLE of the crowd of 15,000, which means most likely nobody more than about 25 feet from him heard much of the speech.

In answer to the questions,

1) Went when I was 7 years old. Only very vaguely remember it.

2) Yeah, I memorized it in grade school.

3) Certainly one of the 3-5 greatest in American political history.

 

[Steak Snabler]

Eisenhower spoke at Gettysburg on the 100th anniversary (11/19/1963). Something notable happened three days later ...

 

[kingcreole]

I was in Gettysburg in June. Amazing place and I highly recommend it. I hope to make it back there again, and be able to tour a couple other Civil War battlefields.

I remember going to the Wheat Field, where something like 20,000 men fought, and just standing in the middle of it. Pretty overwhelming to think of how many men died just in that area.

The memorial built in the cemetery to memorialize the Gettysburg Address is not actually where the speech was given. It was actually given, if I remember correctly, a little bit north of there where the public cemetery now is.

 

[heyabbott]

Antietam is just 50 miles southwest of Gettysburg. And Harper's Ferry is just 30 minutes south from Antietam. It can make for a very nice long weekend

 

[micropolitan guy]

Antietam is just 50 miles southwest of Gettysburg.

Gettysburg, Antietam and Little Bigh Horn are the three best battlefields I've ever been to, because they've been preserved so well. You can see exactly how the battle unfolded and the landscape (especially at LBH) is almost exactly as it was in 1863, 1862 and in 1876. I expect it's the same at Omaha Beach, although I haven't been there yet.

They have done a lot of tree removal, etc., at Gettysburg in an attempt to make the landscape resemble photos from 1863. The sheer ruralness of Western Maryland, and the relative compactness of the battlefield, has helped preserve Antietam. The Medicine Tail Coulee fire in the early 1980s really cleaned out the LBH battlefield site, and also uncovered a treasure trove of artifacts and enabled even more detailed forensic battlefield analysis.

 

[heyabbott]

Antietam is just 50 miles southwest of Gettysburg.

Gettysburg, Antietam and Little Bigh Horn are the three best battlefields I've ever been to, because they've been preserved so well. You can see exactly how the battle unfolded and the landscape (especially at LBH) is almost exactly as it was in 1863, 1862 and in 1876. I expect it's the same at Omaha Beach, although I haven't been there yet.

They have done a lot of tree removal, etc., at Gettysburg in an attempt to make the landscape resemble photos from 1863. The sheer ruralness of Western Maryland, and the relative compactness of the battlefield, has helped preserve Antietam. The Medicine Tail Coulee fire in the early 1980s really cleaned out the LBH battlefield site, and also uncovered a treasure trove of artifacts and enabled even more detailed forensic battlefield analysis.

I've been to Omaha and Utah Beach, Pointe Du Hoc and the immediate vicinity as well as the American Normandy Cemetery. Well preserved and erie as hell. Standing on top near Pointe Du Hoc you can really see how the invasion unfolded. A damn good thing the Germans had to guard the enitre coast and were spread out. I was there before Saving Private Ryan came out so the pictures I had in my mind were from The Longest Day and World at War

 

[X-Hack]

I was there in the mid-80s with my dad when I was in middle school and I returned this July -- a week after the 150th anniversary -- with my wife and son. It's truly an incredible experience. We stayed right on East Cemetery Hill and arrived in the evening and it was truly eerie to walk around the cemetery and some of the battlefield alone at dusk as my wife was putting my kid to bed. And seeing the whole battlefield the next day - knowing so much more about it than I did as a kid - and knowing exactly what happened at each spot was incredible. I wish we had more than a day -- I'd love to spend a week retracing the footsteps of different divisions on each side.

As for the speech, I never had to memorize it though we did read it and I've read it many times since. I'd put it up there with Lincoln's Second Inaugural, though I think its brevity -- as someone mentioned earlier -- puts it over the top.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I'd like to see it delivered again in the social media age and see Lincoln destroyed on Twitter afterwards.

Four score and seven years ago I was bored... #suck #beardsareforfags #confederacy

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

Went there in September and would love to go back. If I had more time, I would have went down to Antietam.

I spent three days there. I recommend taking a Battlefield bus tour. Combo package of the National Park museum, the bus tour and a short movie was about $35.

After spending a day at the visitor center and bus tour, I did the auto tour myself. Taking the bus tour helped make the auto tour that much better.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

I'd like to see it delivered again in the social media age and see Lincoln destroyed on Twitter afterwards.

Four score and seven years ago I was bored... #suck #beardsareforfags #confederacy

"The president gave a very disappointing address, Sean. He only spoke for a couple of minutes, and he spoke about Scores. It wasn't an appropriate place to make a joke about strip clubs."

"Oh, I agree, but the libruhl media won't make mention of that. They'll just be talking about his top hat."

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Matt Taibbi's story covering the speech would compare him to Vlad the Impaler, since he hates republicans and Hitler wasn't born yet.