'Woody Plaige'

[YankeeFan]

Stealing quotes is not plagiarism.

It's still stealing and it's still wrong, but it's not plagiarism.

He didn't just lift the quote.

He set the story up the same way as the SBJ and plugged in the stolen quote. That's plagiarism.

 

[SixToe]

It bothered me for a while, maybe a year, and then I just realized that I need to get over it.

If someone stealing your work bothered you for a year, that's 364 days longer than it should have and is enough evidence that what they did is horribly wrong.

 

[Stitch]

I guess my problem when I was a sports writer was writing. I should have just lifted material.

 

[MileHigh]

Interesting comments, including one that got highlighted.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2011/06/woody_paige_lifting_quotes_denver_post.php

The correction ran in print this morning.

 

[Mystery Meat II]

I wonder if this will come up next time he's on Around the Hlorn

 

[Small Town Guy]

I wonder if this will come up next time he's on Around the Hlorn

Stat Boy will dock him two points.

 

[Matt Stephens]

To this day, I still feel like a former ESPN blogger pulled straight from my story, but they said it was just taken from a press release (a press release that came out two weeks after my story). I couldn't prove it. It was frustrating, by my publisher and I agreed that the ESPN blog's post was way too similar (changing like two words). Oh well.

 

[SockPuppet]

In addition to this being a sh***y, lazy-ass effort that probably took Paige about 15 minutes to produce, I've got a problem with a guy who is getting a lot of his income from ESPN writing a blow job column about ESPN. The loose "angle" here involves the book on ESPN and the fact that one of its followers was from Greely.

Hey, Woody ... is Daniels (the guy from Greely) mentioned in the book? Or did you consider talking to someone from Daniels' family. ... Oh, wait, yeah ... that would have taken some ****ing work.

And people wonder why newspapers suck donkey balls. It's because they allow this kinda stuff to go on because columnists are "stars."

 

[MileHigh]

Greeley. Three e's. And it stinks up there.

 

[LanceyHoward]

Greeley. Three e's. And it stinks up there.

Does anyone remember the 1985 movie "The Mean Season"? Probably not. The most ludicrous movie I ever watched.

Kurt Russell played a Miami Herald reporter sleeping with Mariel Hemingway. A newspaper reporter sleeping with that kind of talent. Right.

And he was torn about leaving the Miami to move to Greeley, which is right by the meat processing plant. Even more far fetched than a reporter sleeping with a Mariel Hemingway look alike.

 

[Matt Stephens]

Greeley. Three e's. And it stinks up there.

My girlfriend graduated from Greeley West ... it's her home town. It's only a 25 minute drive from Fort Collins, but I always hated taking it with her due to that damn smell

 

[Johnny Dangerously]

Reworking a classic: "She said 'Kiss me where it stinks.' So I took her to Greeley."

 

[SF_Express]

Does anyone remember the 1985 movie "The Mean Season"? Probably not. The most luidcrious movie I ever watched.

Kurt Russell played a Miami Herald reporter sleeping with Mariel Hemingway. A newspaper reporter sleeping with that kind of talent. Right.

And he was torn about leaving the Miami to move to Greeley, which is right by the meat processing plant. Even more far fetched than a reporter sleeping with a Mariel Hemingway look alike.

Maybe you'll say photogs are different, but an L.A. Times photographer I knew casually dated his share of people like Mariel Hemingway and brought Alexandra Paul to a Christmas party I was attending once.

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

I have worked with a few photogs that netted a lot of plus ass. They were artsy, eccentric and assertive.

 

[SF_Express]

I have worked with a few photogs that netted a lot of plus ass. They were artsy, eccentric and assertive.

Yep, different than a lot of newspaper reporters.

JUST kidding, newspaper reporters.

 

[Shaggy]

The DLB story is well-documented, but unfiortunately, it can't be proven. I'm not defending Woody in any way, but it's the typical stolen idea where a bunch of locals who fit into the story perfectly (usually too perfectly) are quoted. Did the interview actually take place? Probably not, but nobody can prove otherwise. There are a lot of top columnists and writers who I think do that a lot.

If it's two articles that were published in newspapers, it can absolutely be proven.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

The DLB story is well-documented, but unfiortunately, it can't be proven. I'm not defending Woody in any way, but it's the typical stolen idea where a bunch of locals who fit into the story perfectly (usually too perfectly) are quoted. Did the interview actually take place? Probably not, but nobody can prove otherwise. There are a lot of top columnists and writers who I think do that a lot.

If it's two articles that were published in newspapers, it can absolutely be proven.

The columns in question, you couldn't prove it and that's because DLB wrote a beautiful feature on Rickey Jackson and Paige took the idea and did a halfass job on it with some quotes from locals that are suspicious.

I've lost track of the number of big-time columnists and features writers who always come up with the perfect quote from some local. It's the whole, "I can't get any player to tell me this, so I'll make up a quote from some local who will magically come up with the perfect quote."

It's not to say it sometimes isn't legitimate, but I would bet that most of the time, they are not.

 

[Shaggy]

I see.

I remember Joe Posnanski quoting an anonymous fan overheard leaving the stadium once. And the quote he overheard happen to tie into his story beautifully. He was very lucky to overhear that.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I see.

I remember Joe Posnanski quoting an anonymous fan overheard leaving the stadium once. And the quote he overheard happen to tie into his story beautifully. He was very lucky to overhear that.

Yeah... I don't know... I would certainly hope Pos wouldn't do it, but I think it happens a lot...

I think the biggest problem in journalism right now is fabrication, not plagiarsm.

True plagiarism is very easy to prove. A fabricated quote is nearly impossible to prove.

If I was a SE, I would never allow a quote from a fan or seemingly random person without their full name and phone number. Obviously, most writers would never do that, and if the result is they can't quote an anonymous fan or random guy at a bait shop in Pahokee then I think journalism is better off for it.

 

[SoCalDude]

We used to have an editor who was responsible for providing a daily quote submitted by a reader. Once, he was getting ready to leave and he was asked if he'd gotten the reader quote yet. He was rushed but said he'd see what was available.
This editor's name was two initials and one of the most common last names in our country. Within a minute or two, he said he had a quote, put it on a word file and headed for the door. When we looked at the quote, the name on it was that editor's two initials, reversed, and the other most common last name in our country.