Without Sylvester Croom

[Hammer Pants]

I think Walker and Norton Jr. will be solid head coaches some day. Hopefully they'll get a chance.

 

[Drip]

MSU got a good vibe from tonight's Class 5A (largest) final between South Panola and Meridian.
Panola had 89 straight wins, and all those titles, against Meridian and all-star QB Tyler Russell.
Russell was MVP in a 26-20 OT win over vaunted SPanola

He is committed to State, but things opened up when Croom left.
Hopefully he stays committed, though coaches are coming at him left and right now.

Congrats to my alma mater, Meridian, on its first state title since 1990.

So far Russell has said he's staying with MSU but if the Bulldogs don't name a coach soon, he may be looking elsewhere.

 

[Batman]

Auburn to interview Turner Gill:

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/122864133167920.xml&coll=2

 

[Drip]

Auburn to interview Turner Gill:

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/122864133167920.xml&coll=2

That's Auburn. Not MSU. A huge difference.

 

[hockeybeat]

Auburn to interview Turner Gill:

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/122864133167920.xml&coll=2

That's Auburn. Not MSU. A huge difference.

How so?

 

[Drip]

Auburn to interview Turner Gill:

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/122864133167920.xml&coll=2

That's Auburn. Not MSU. A huge difference.

How so?

Difference in the type of athletes the go after. Difference in the school's approach toward building a football tradition, etc. I'd like to see Gill get the Auburn job. Would be great for both the SEC and Auburn.

 

[zimmaniac06]

Mike Locksley just took the New Mexico job, according to ESPN (that's just where I saw it, don't know who had it first). Here's hoping he's very successful and ends up at a bigger gig.

 

[DanOregon]

I really hope the NCAA does something with regard to coordinators. That is where the problem lies. Once a school hires a coach they have no say about who he hires. Most coaches have several black coaches on their staffs, but it is surprising how few become coordinators. Lapchick's study found that though they make up 33 percent of coaches in DI, black coaches hold just 13 percent of coordinator jobs. That's not equal.
From the study: "While one is a designated head coach in waiting, thirteen coordinators have two years or less experience in that position. Another six have not demonstrated success with records that put their teams at the bottom of their conferences in their respective categories.
That leaves only nine (3.5 percent) FBS black coordinators have strong enough records to be considered for head coaching positions. While a handful of FCS head coaches, some ex-FBS coaches and some NFL coaches may enlarge this, this is not a deep pool of resources."
So even if black coaches and white coaches succeed/fail at the same rate - there will still be far more white coaches to choose from which means there is a greater chance that a white coach is the right fit than a black coach.
I liken it to a fruit stand and you're going to get the best looking piece of fruit you can find. There are 10 apples and 90 bananas - the odds against an apple being the best looking piece of fruit are pretty long.

 

[Drip]

I really hope the NCAA does something with regard to coordinators. That is where the problem lies. Once a school hires a coach they have no say about who he hires. Most coaches have several black coaches on their staffs, but it is surprising how few become coordinators. Lapchick's study found that though they make up 33 percent of coaches in DI, black coaches hold just 13 percent of coordinator jobs. That's not equal.
From the study: "While one is a designated head coach in waiting, thirteen coordinators have two years or less experience in that position. Another six have not demonstrated success with records that put their teams at the bottom of their conferences in their respective categories.
That leaves only nine (3.5 percent) FBS black coordinators have strong enough records to be considered for head coaching positions. While a handful of FCS head coaches, some ex-FBS coaches and some NFL coaches may enlarge this, this is not a deep pool of resources."
So even if black coaches and white coaches succeed/fail at the same rate - there will still be far more white coaches to choose from which means there is a greater chance that a white coach is the right fit than a black coach.
I liken it to a fruit stand and you're going to get the best looking piece of fruit you can find. There are 10 apples and 90 bananas - the odds against an apple being the best looking piece of fruit are pretty long.

Dan, You are so right. It would be a big step in destroying the good ol' boy network.

 

[dixiehack]

Auburn to interview Turner Gill:

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/122864133167920.xml&coll=2

That's Auburn. Not MSU. A huge difference.

How so?

Difference in the type of athletes the go after. Difference in the school's approach toward building a football tradition, etc. I'd like to see Gill get the Auburn job. Would be great for both the SEC and Auburn.

That would have made too much sense. I'm glad to see Turner Gill won't be going to Auburn, mainly because I like to see Auburn fail at everything they do. But I would have a hard time arguing that race didn't play a factor in this one.

 

[slappy4428]

Auburn to interview Turner Gill:

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/122864133167920.xml&coll=2

That's Auburn. Not MSU. A huge difference.

How so?

Difference in the type of athletes the go after. Difference in the school's approach toward building a football tradition, etc. I'd like to see Gill get the Auburn job. Would be great for both the SEC and Auburn.

That would have made too much sense. I'm glad to see Turner Gill won't be going to Auburn, mainly because I like to see Auburn fail at everything they do. But I would have a hard time arguing that race didn't play a factor in this one.

But Bobby Lowder's idioticy trancends race

 

[DanOregon]

I was watching the Pete Carroll story on 60 Minutes tonight and couldn't help myself from thinking, if Pete Carroll was black would he have gotten a second chance in the NFL? Or even an interview at USC?
6-10 for the Jets and he lands the Patriots job? 27-21 with the Patriots and he's out of coaching for a year and he gets the USC job?
He's proven to be a great coach, no question. But it does make me wonder how many black coaches might have succeeded at various jobs if they were given the same shake.
I was watching a bit on Steve Sarkesian being introduced as the UW coach, and if he interviewed for that job the same way he came across when being interviewed by a TV reporter, I'm surprised he got the gig. He's no Pete Carroll.

 

[SnoopyBoy]

This struck me as odd yesterday.

CBS touched on this at halftime of their games and Tim Brando basically let Spencer Tillman have his say. Tillman said that it was a travesty and that recent openings like the Tennessee job shouldnt have been filled with someone "unqualified" like Lane Kiffin, but instead Charlie Strong.

I think Strong is a good coach (but certainly could not have put together the staff that Kiffin is), however - the head coach of a program is a CEO and the face of the university, and perhaps the state. How many people know the governor of Arkansas and then how many people know who the head coach of Arkansas is?

Strong - much like Norm Chow - has been a viable candidate for several jobs; but can't get one and its likely due to the inability to be that CEO. Charlie is a good coach, but his media relations would be a horrendous move for a major university. (It wasn't even good enough for Vanderbilt to take a chance on, IIRC).

Spencer Tillman sucks. He sounds articulate, but if you listen closely he says nothing and often uses bad grammar. I don't know why people keep trotting him out there.

 

[Drip]

Auburn to interview Turner Gill:

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/122864133167920.xml&coll=2

That's Auburn. Not MSU. A huge difference.

How so?

Difference in the type of athletes the go after. Difference in the school's approach toward building a football tradition, etc. I'd like to see Gill get the Auburn job. Would be great for both the SEC and Auburn.

That would have made too much sense. I'm glad to see Turner Gill won't be going to Auburn, mainly because I like to see Auburn fail at everything they do. But I would have a hard time arguing that race didn't play a factor in this one.

I was watching the Pete Carroll story on 60 Minutes tonight and couldn't help myself from thinking, if Pete Carroll was black would he have gotten a second chance in the NFL? Or even an interview at USC?
6-10 for the Jets and he lands the Patriots job? 27-21 with the Patriots and he's out of coaching for a year and he gets the USC job?
He's proven to be a great coach, no question. But it does make me wonder how many black coaches might have succeeded at various jobs if they were given the same shake.
I was watching a bit on Steve Sarkesian being introduced as the UW coach, and if he interviewed for that job the same way he came across when being interviewed by a TV reporter, I'm surprised he got the gig. He's no Pete Carroll.

I have a difficult time believing that race was not a factor in filling the Auburn job.
As for Carroll, yeah if he were black, he probably wouldn't have gotten the opportunity the first time. However, as someone who who did cover Carroll when he was with the Jets, I found him to be a great source. He's a friendly sort and I have never found anyone to say anything negative about him. He told you more off the record stuff as a coach than as a head coach but that's to be expected but Pete is good people.