Washington Post-ABC News presidential race poll

[Mizzougrad96]

Interesting stuff.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-loses-bin-laden-bounce-romney-on-the-move-among-gop-contenders/2011/06/06/AGT5wiKH_story.html?hpid=z1

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't surprised.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Romney and Obama deadlocked.

Palin almost no support from republicans.

 

[sportsguydave]

Polls are pretty meaningless this far out.

Just ask Bush 41 about that.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Well, obviously there's a lot of time between now and then, but to call the poll meaningless would be foolish.

I think it is a sign that next year might be a little more interesting than some have predicted.

I was pretty stunned that Palin is polling worse than Bachmann.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

What's the Washington Post Super Bowl 2013 forecast say? Also, most polls since January have shown Romney relatively close to or tied with Obama. With nine percent unemployment, it's a wonder he's not behind by 15. I believe that shows that deep down, most voters have a primal instinct (a correct one), that neither political party is particularly interested in what happens to anyone who isn't making over $500,000 a year, so they vacillate between what are perceived as unappetizing alternatives.

 

[Bubbler]

Is this poll done with the electoral vote breakdown in mind? Because if it isn't, it doesn't mean ****.

 

[Brooklyn Bridge]

Romney is also going to have a tough time just being the Republican nominee, so there is that.

 

[rmanfredi]

Let's see what Fox News has to say about Sarah Palin's possible Presidential run...

Uh...still having trouble with their graphics department, I see.

And on topic - yeah, we'll see how things stand after the primaries. If the Republicans get behind a moderate candidate pretty early, it could be a very interesting general election. If they are fractured and rip each other to shreds, it could be the Democrats in the 1970/80s. I'd be interested if that poll was for likely voters or the general public, as well.

 

[YankeeFan]

And on topic - yeah, we'll see how things stand after the primaries. If the Republicans get behind a moderate candidate pretty early, it could be a very interesting general election. If they are fractured and rip each other to shreds, it could be the Democrats in the 1970/80s. I'd be interested if that poll was for likely voters or the general public, as well.

Republicans nominated a moderate in 2008 while the Dems nominated one of the most liberal members of the Senate. (And that's not an opinion, it's based on his voting record.)

McCain was everything moderates like Colin Powell said we should nominate.

So, who did Powell, William Weld, Lincoln Chafee, Jim Leach, **** Riordan, and Lowell Weiker endorse? Barack Obama.

If you give voters a choice between Democrats & Democrats Lite®, they'll go with the authentic Dem every time.

It's only when Republicans run as a true Conservative alternative to the Democrat Party -- when there is a clear distinction between the two parties -- that they win.

You can't nominate a kook, but an articulate, sincere Conservative is what the Republicans need.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Ho-hum.

Of those who deal with this stuff, the sharpest offshore book I'm aware of in this area has
the Dems -250 today, and the GOP +175.

That's a nasty spread, and the book's hardly inviting serious action at those prices, but it
gives you an idea of the historical realities. If Romney wins the nom, it won't be until after
Palin and (even if not in the race) Huck take their best shot at slicing a few of his arteries.

Right now, the GOP internals are brutal. Daniels had at least one golden idea -- hey, people, let's put the social issues aside. But the 6,000-year crowd refuses to do so.

Lotsa luck.

 

[sportsguydave]

Well, obviously there's a lot of time between now and then, but to call the poll meaningless would be foolish.

I think it is a sign that next year might be a little more interesting than some have predicted.

I was pretty stunned that Palin is polling worse than Bachmann.

That probably won't have much of an effect on Palin entering the race. She's surrounded by people who do nothing but tell her how great she is, and I'm sure she'll just write this poll off as another example of the gotcha media out to get her.

She and Bachmann will compete for the same pool of voters, so I'm sure the grownups in the GOP hierarchy will root for both to enter the race and cancel each other out.

Bachmann 's camp fires the first salvo:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-presidential-primary/165139-bachmann-aide-goes-after-palin-for-not-being-serious

Veteran GOP strategist Ed Rollins -- who has signed up to advise Bachmann's presidential campaign-in-waiting -- criticized Palin, the former Alaska governor, for lacking seriousness since serving as the Republican vice presidential nominee in 2008.

"Sarah has not been serious over the last couple of years," Rollins said on Fox News personality Brian Kilmeade's radio show. "She got the vice presidential thing handed to her. She didn’t go to work in the sense of trying gain more substance. She gave up her governorship."

 

[dixiehack]

Can we just drop the fiction and restore the politics board for good?

 

[Starman]

There are no moderates in the Republic party, or anything close to it.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

At this point, I'm lukewarm on all of the republican candidates and there are a couple I know very little about, but my worry was that Pawlenty and Romney would cancel each other out and Palin would cruise to the nomination. Bachmann's presence probably prevents that from happening.

The reason I posted the poll was because I was stunned by it. I figured nobody in the current field has a snowball's chance in hell of winning and that may wind up being the case, but if someone as uninspiring as Mittens
is doing that well right now, then maybe this will get interesting over the next year or so.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

There are no moderates in the Republic party, or anything close to it.

That's complete bull****.

 

[rmanfredi]

And on topic - yeah, we'll see how things stand after the primaries. If the Republicans get behind a moderate candidate pretty early, it could be a very interesting general election. If they are fractured and rip each other to shreds, it could be the Democrats in the 1970/80s. I'd be interested if that poll was for likely voters or the general public, as well.

Republicans nominated a moderate in 2008 while the Dems nominated one of the most liberal members of the Senate. (And that's not an opinion, it's based on his voting record.)

McCain was everything moderates like Colin Powell said we should nominate.

So, who did Powell, William Weld, Lincoln Chafee, Jim Leach, **** Riordan, and Lowell Weiker endorse? Barack Obama.

If you give voters a choice between Democrats & Democrats Lite®, they'll go with the authentic Dem every time.

It's only when Republicans run as a true Conservative alternative to the Democrat Party -- when there is a clear distinction between the two parties -- that they win.

You can't nominate a kook, but an articulate, sincere Conservative is what the Republicans need.

John McCain in 2000 was the Republican that Colin Powell, et al, said should have run in 2008. The John McCain who ran in 2008 was not the same candidate. He got caught between his previous, moderate stances and having to change his positions to fit "the base" and make concessions for the more right-wing members of the party.

We know how that turned out.

Mitt Romney already had to deal with trying to transform his moderate image once in the primary season (in 2008), and it presented major challenges. Other than running against a less-than-overwhelmingly-popular incumbent from the opposing party vs. running to replace a less-than-overwhelmingly-popular outgoing President from his party, he's going to have to change his playbook to avoid falling into the same trap again.

 

[sportsguydave]

There are no moderates in the Republic party, or anything close to it.

That's complete bull****.

Name one with a prayer of winning the nomination.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

The one candidate I want to learn more about is John Huntsman. He seems to be the sensible, mature one right now. I don't know a whole lot, but so far, he's the only one who seems like he's going about this in a respectable way. No way Romney gets through the primaries. And if he somehow does, a whole bunch of people who normally turn out for the GOP stay home.

 

[dixiehack]

There are no moderates in the Republic party, or anything close to it.

That's complete bull****.

Name one with a prayer of winning the nomination.

Not the same thing.

 

[YankeeFan]

Ford, Bush 41, Dole, and McCain were all moderates. Only Bush 41 won, and he was running for Ronnie's 3rd term.

Running on his own, he lost.

Reagan and Bush 43 both won two terms running as Conservatives.