Warren Jeffs gets life

[CarltonBanks]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44076040/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001

Good for the jury. This scumbag does not deserve to ever again breathe free air. Taking a 12-year-old bride and fathering a child with a 15-year-old, all while bastardizing the Christian faith, is a good reason to lock this douche up and throw away the key. I hope his celly is a nice, big, mean country boy with a 12-inch schlong. Hope he makes Jeffs put on the kool-ade make-up and they have "dates" every night.

 

[Deeper_Background]

This is why the Mormans had to leave for Utah in the first place. The rest of America at the time would not tolerate them.

The Mormans left Ohio because Joseph Smith started a bank and all of the money mysteriously disappeared. The Mormans left shortly there after as there were threats on the lives of the banks officers of which Smith was one.

For the record, the Mormons left Ohio after the failure of the Kirtland Safety Society. Their bank was never chartered with the state, never had any contributed capital, never had any competent management, and issued large amounts of counterfeit money. Thousands of people were financially ruined in the fiasco, which was one of the triggers of the Panic of 1837 and following five year depression ... one of the worst economic downturns in this country's history. Smith and Rigdon fled Ohio to escape criminal prosecution.


"If the people [of Missouri] come on us to molest us, we will establish our religion by the sword. We will trample down our enemies and make it one gore of blood from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean. I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Quran or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us – Joseph Smith or the Sword" – History of the Church, Vol. 3, p. 167.
The Mormons left Missouri after undergoing a "civil war" (as per Hubert Bancroft's History of Utah), followed by the Missouri Mormon War. Among other things, the Saints private army (known as the Danites) committed numerous atrocities, including killing several Missouri guardsmen and mutilating their lifeless bodies. Smith's declaration of war is shown directly above.

Smith, Rigdon and other Mormon leaders were captured at the end of the conflict; were charged with "treason, murder, arson, burglary, robbery, larceny, and perjury," and were ordered held without bail. They escaped from authorities (they bribed their custodian with money and a small keg of whiskey) while being transported to stand trial and fled to Illinois.

The Saints, sans Smith (who was killed in a blotched jailbreak) and Rigdon (who was unceremoniously dumped in a power struggle following Smith's death), left Illinois after a second civil war (re. Bancroft), two more deployments of the National Guard, and numerous internal struggles -- known collectively as the Illinois Mormon Wars. Gerald Tanner also presents convincing evidence that the Saints were again involved in widespread counterfeiting.



Upon arrival in Utah, the Saints continued their bloody criminal legacy for decades. Among other things, they were engaged in eight named Indian wars, the Utah War of 1857 (against the United States), the Mountain Meadows Massacre (of about 120 Christian settlers passing through Utah on their way to California), and four more "civil wars" (Bancroft). The Saints' "destroying angel," Porter Rockwell is estimated to have murdered at least 150 persons, many of them Saints, many through the Mormon doctrine of "Blood Atonement." The Mormons were heavily involved in the Bear River Massacre, which resulted in the slaughter of about 400 Shoshone Indians.

Bottom Line: Upon considering Mormonism's troubled history, there are numerous sound reasons why, "The rest of America at the time would not tolerate them"

 

[Baron Scicluna]

He's going to have to "set aside all his inhibitions" in prison.

 

[Stitch]

d_b: Learn to spell and read with comprehension. You must have taken history courses from an unaccredited online Christian bible college.

What does Jeffs have to do with the mainstream LDS Church? Very little.

 

[CarltonBanks]

I think the whole Jeff and Alice Lundgren situation is another reason why the rest of the country would not accept them. I have been by that farm where the Averys were killed a few times...it is amazing how close to the road and other houses it is. I pictured it being out in the country, but it is actually right in the middle of a lot of activity. And as nutty as they can be, the Temple in Kirtland is a beautiful place. I suggest checking it out for anyone visiting Northeast Ohio.

Just to clarify, yes, the RCLDS excommunicated Dahmer, but the fact that he was able to manipulate so many minds of people making religious trips to the Temple (where he worked as a guide for a time) says a lot about the people in that church. A bunch of lost souls who are looking for any kind of acceptance.

 

[Stitch]

I think the whole Jeff and Alice Lundgren situation is another reason why the rest of the country would not accept them. I have been by that farm where the Averys were killed a few times...it is amazing how close to the road and other houses it is. I pictured it being out in the country, but it is actually right in the middle of a lot of activity. And as nutty as they can be, the Temple in Kirtland is a beautiful place. I suggest checking it out for anyone visiting Northeast Ohio.

Just to clarify, yes, the RCLDS excommunicated Dahmer, but the fact that he was able to manipulate so many minds of people making religious trips to the Temple (where he worked as a guide for a time) says a lot about the people in that church. A bunch of lost souls who are looking for any kind of acceptance.

What do the Lundgrens have to do with the LDS Church in Utah? RLDS and LDS are two different churches. If you can't even get that straight, how can you be taken seriously?

 

[Inky_Wretch]

This is why the Mormans had to leave for Utah in the first place. The rest of America at the time would not tolerate them.

The Mormans left Ohio because Joseph Smith started a bank and all of the money mysteriously disappeared. The Mormans left shortly there after as there were threats on the lives of the banks officers of which Smith was one.

For the record, the Mormons left Ohio after the failure of the Kirtland Safety Society. Their bank was never chartered with the state, never had any contributed capital, never had any competent management, and issued large amounts of counterfeit money. Thousands of people were financially ruined in the fiasco, which was one of the triggers of the Panic of 1837 and following five year depression ... one of the worst economic downturns in this country's history. Smith and Rigdon fled Ohio to escape criminal prosecution.


"If the people [of Missouri] come on us to molest us, we will establish our religion by the sword. We will trample down our enemies and make it one gore of blood from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean. I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Quran or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us – Joseph Smith or the Sword" – History of the Church, Vol. 3, p. 167.
The Mormons left Missouri after undergoing a "civil war" (as per Hubert Bancroft's History of Utah), followed by the Missouri Mormon War. Among other things, the Saints private army (known as the Danites) committed numerous atrocities, including killing several Missouri guardsmen and mutilating their lifeless bodies. Smith's declaration of war is shown directly above.

Smith, Rigdon and other Mormon leaders were captured at the end of the conflict; were charged with "treason, murder, arson, burglary, robbery, larceny, and perjury," and were ordered held without bail. They escaped from authorities (they bribed their custodian with money and a small keg of whiskey) while being transported to stand trial and fled to Illinois.

The Saints, sans Smith (who was killed in a blotched jailbreak) and Rigdon (who was unceremoniously dumped in a power struggle following Smith's death), left Illinois after a second civil war (re. Bancroft), two more deployments of the National Guard, and numerous internal struggles -- known collectively as the Illinois Mormon Wars. Gerald Tanner also presents convincing evidence that the Saints were again involved in widespread counterfeiting.



Upon arrival in Utah, the Saints continued their bloody criminal legacy for decades. Among other things, they were engaged in eight named Indian wars, the Utah War of 1857 (against the United States), the Mountain Meadows Massacre (of about 120 Christian settlers passing through Utah on their way to California), and four more "civil wars" (Bancroft). The Saints' "destroying angel," Porter Rockwell is estimated to have murdered at least 150 persons, many of them Saints, many through the Mormon doctrine of "Blood Atonement." The Mormons were heavily involved in the Bear River Massacre, which resulted in the slaughter of about 400 Shoshone Indians.

Bottom Line: Upon considering Mormonism's troubled history, there are numerous sound reasons why, "The rest of America at the time would not tolerate them"

Why are you cutting and pasting comments from FreeRepublic by somebody named Zakeet?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2760866/posts

 

[CarltonBanks]

I think the whole Jeff and Alice Lundgren situation is another reason why the rest of the country would not accept them. I have been by that farm where the Averys were killed a few times...it is amazing how close to the road and other houses it is. I pictured it being out in the country, but it is actually right in the middle of a lot of activity. And as nutty as they can be, the Temple in Kirtland is a beautiful place. I suggest checking it out for anyone visiting Northeast Ohio.

Just to clarify, yes, the RCLDS excommunicated Dahmer, but the fact that he was able to manipulate so many minds of people making religious trips to the Temple (where he worked as a guide for a time) says a lot about the people in that church. A bunch of lost souls who are looking for any kind of acceptance.

What do the Lundgrens have to do with the LDS Church in Utah? RLDS and LDS are two different churches. If you can't even get that straight, how can you be taken seriously?

Because there is a connection via Kirtland. And they were not always different...I thought we were discussing the history of the faith. But take seriously what you wish.

 

[Stitch]

I think the whole Jeff and Alice Lundgren situation is another reason why the rest of the country would not accept them.

Just to clarify, yes, the RCLDS excommunicated Dahmer, but the fact that he was able to manipulate so many minds of people making religious trips to the Temple (where he worked as a guide for a time) says a lot about the people in that church. A bunch of lost souls who are looking for any kind of acceptance.

You're trying to equate Mormons with a cult leader who murdered people.

 

[CarltonBanks]

I think the whole Jeff and Alice Lundgren situation is another reason why the rest of the country would not accept them. I have been by that farm where the Averys were killed a few times...it is amazing how close to the road and other houses it is. I pictured it being out in the country, but it is actually right in the middle of a lot of activity. And as nutty as they can be, the Temple in Kirtland is a beautiful place. I suggest checking it out for anyone visiting Northeast Ohio.

Just to clarify, yes, the RCLDS excommunicated Dahmer, but the fact that he was able to manipulate so many minds of people making religious trips to the Temple (where he worked as a guide for a time) says a lot about the people in that church. A bunch of lost souls who are looking for any kind of acceptance.

What do the Lundgrens have to do with the LDS Church in Utah? RLDS and LDS are two different churches. If you can't even get that straight, how can you be taken seriously?

Because there is a connection via Kirtland. And they were not always different...I thought we were discussing the history of the faith. But take seriously what you wish.

You're trying to equate Mormons with a cult leader who murdered people.

Not really...but if that's what you infer, good on ya. Idiot.

 

[Stitch]

Why are you comparing the Lundgrens to the country not accepting Mormons in the 1830s and '40s?

 

[vicd]

I knew this would happen as soon as New York legalized gay marriage!!!!!

 

[CarltonBanks]

Why are you comparing the Lundgrens to the country not accepting Mormons in the 1830s and '40s?

To confuse you. Did it work?

 

[Stitch]

I wonder how long Jeffs' hold on FLDS will last. Arizona and Utah have to do something with the United Effort Plan trust that owns a lot of homes and businesses in Colorado City and Hilldale.

The 10th Circuit ordered a stay in April to prevent the trust from going back to the FLDS Church.

 

[Stitch]

Why are you comparing the Lundgrens to the country not accepting Mormons in the 1830s and '40s?

To confuse you. Did it work?

Just admit you don't care for Mormons.

 

[CarltonBanks]

I wonder how long Jeffs' hold on FLDS will last. Arizona and Utah have to do something with the United Effort Plan trust that owns a lot of homes and businesses in Colorado City and Hilldale.

The 10th Circuit ordered a stay in April to prevent the trust from going back to the FLDS Church.

Without being eligible for parole until he is 90, I doubt his hold can possibly last. There will be a new false prophet to come along, singing songs and promising salvation.

 

[Deeper_Background]

We'll see if the media can finally discover that Romney's great great grandaddy had 12 wives next year. http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2007/02/five-wives-for-miles-romney.html

 

[Stitch]

We see if the media can discover that Romney's great great grandaddy had 12 wives next year. http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2007/02/five-wives-for-miles-romney.html

What's the relevance?

 

[CarltonBanks]

Why are you comparing the Lundgrens to the country not accepting Mormons in the 1830s and '40s?

To confuse you. Did it work?

Just admit you don't care for Mormons.

I have no problem with Mormons. Jimmer was my favorite player to watch last year.
Actually, I really don't care for any "evangelical" religion. I think a person should develop their own faith, not be convinced one is better than another. But I have no problems with Mormons as a whole.

 

[vicd]

Some of my best friends are Mormans.