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With Dems leading in both Virginia (Webb over Allen by a little more than 8,000) and Montana (Tester over Burns by 1,700), it would be 51-49.

I'd like to hear all the excuses and see the doomsday scenarios the GOP will conjure up when it goes back--battered and bloodied--to its corner.
 
Actually, a Dem takeover of both houses sets the GOP up really well for 2008.
 
Armchair_QB said:
Actually, a Dem takeover of both houses sets the GOP up really well for 2008.

Oh no! This was all part of the GOP master plan! We fell right into the trap.
 
Well, it did set up Clinton pretty well for 1996.

And, technically, it wouldn't be a 51-49 majority -- it'd be 49-49, with two independents (Lieberman, Sanders) caucusing with the Dems.

Pat Buchanan and Chris Matthews mentioned this last night on MSNBC ... if Tester and Webb win, look for the GOP to offer Lieberman the kitchen sink to caucus with them.

Also, if Bush were to name Lieberman defense secretary were Rumsfeld to leave, or to another cabinet position, that leaves Connecticut's Republican governor to pick a replacement. I'm sure the Rove Playbook already has that option in there.

Dems will hold the Senate very precariously.
 
Armchair_QB said:
Actually, a Dem takeover of both houses sets the GOP up really well for 2008.

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Actually, the huge Democratic wins in governorships and in the state legislatures sets THEM up well in 2008 and beyond. Bench strength, folks, and remember who draws the maps.
 
A few of the GOP contenders (Allen, Santorum) did go down hard or came very damn close to doing so. None of the Democrat names, save for Kerry, were muddied.
 
A DSCC release:

Both Jon Tester and Jim Webb have won their races in Montana and Virginia but want to make sure that every vote is counted. We expect to have official results soon but can happily declare today that Democrats have taken the majority in the U.S. Senate.

Montana Vote Situation: Jon Tester leads Conrad Burns by approximately 1,700 votes (as of 11am EDT) and counting. In Silver Bow County (Butte), a Democratic stronghold, votes are still being counted but Tester is winning there with 66% of the vote. We expect to gain the majority of these uncounted votes and to add to Tester's margin.

Montana Process: When the counting phase is completed, a canvass will verify the vote tallies. That process could take as long as 48 hours, and must begin within three days and end within seven. Unless the canvass shows the margin to be within ¼ of 1%, there is no recount. As the loser, Burns would have to request the recount. When the votes are all counted, we expect to be outside that recount margin.

Virginia Vote Situation: Jim Webb is up by approximately 8,000 votes and once the provisional ballots are counted, we expect Webb's margin to increase. (Please note that VA absentees were included in the tallies from last night.)

Virginia Process: A canvass is underway to verify the results and we expect that process to finish within a day or so. To be in recount, the margin needs to be less than 1% and Allen (as the loser) would have to request it. Because of Virginia voting laws, the margin would have to be much tighter than it currently is to see any change in the outcome. Given the current margins, that is highly, highly unlikely.
 
dawgpounddiehard said:
Armchair_QB said:
Actually, a Dem takeover of both houses sets the GOP up really well for 2008.

Explain, please.

They kind of have to, you know, do stuff now, not just ***** and moan.

Actually, I expect them to improve some stuff in the short term, much like the GOP after 94. It will take about a decade for the corruption to really take root and spread, then we'll start the whole merry cycle over again. :-\
 
Deeper_Background said:
AP called it last night in Virginia, but the Republicans are waiting until today to concede.

and how does that make you feel DB?
 
Actually, Dixie, I don't even give it a decade. Nancy may mean well... and if she wants bipartisan spirit and to work together, heck, let's give it a shot. But she'll have to hold back people in her party to do it. And there are some foaming-mouth Dems that are waiting to just screw things up.

It's the same situation the GOP had in 1994. Reach, but don't overextend. I still think Clinton would've won a second term in 1996, but without the government shutdown and some of the other stuff that occurred it might have been a much closer election.

By the way, Tom, love the photo. I still back Bush, but that pic makes him look like Paul Lynde.
 
wicked said:
Well, it did set up Clinton pretty well for 1996.

And, technically, it wouldn't be a 51-49 majority -- it'd be 49-49, with two independents (Lieberman, Sanders) caucusing with the Dems.

Pat Buchanan and Chris Matthews mentioned this last night on MSNBC ... if Tester and Webb win, look for the GOP to offer Lieberman the kitchen sink to caucus with them.

Also, if Bush were to name Lieberman defense secretary were Rumsfeld to leave, or to another cabinet position, that leaves Connecticut's Republican governor to pick a replacement. I'm sure the Rove Playbook already has that option in there.

Dems will hold the Senate very precariously.
Swing and a miss.
 
Football_Bat said:
wicked said:
Well, it did set up Clinton pretty well for 1996.

And, technically, it wouldn't be a 51-49 majority -- it'd be 49-49, with two independents (Lieberman, Sanders) caucusing with the Dems.

Pat Buchanan and Chris Matthews mentioned this last night on MSNBC ... if Tester and Webb win, look for the GOP to offer Lieberman the kitchen sink to caucus with them.

Also, if Bush were to name Lieberman defense secretary were Rumsfeld to leave, or to another cabinet position, that leaves Connecticut's Republican governor to pick a replacement. I'm sure the Rove Playbook already has that option in there.

Dems will hold the Senate very precariously.
Swing and a miss.

Not sure, Bat, but the only spot left for the Connecticut dickhead is at the UN, since there's no way Bolton gets confirmed either by this Senate or the next one.
 
Lieberman is not going to take another job. He's not going to caucus with the Republicans.

Joe is, as always, going to do what is best for Joe. Joe might be a pandering opportunist to the fullest, but Joe is no idiot. And Joe knows which way the wind is blowing.

He and the Dems will make nice, Lieberman will get his cushy committee chairmanship, and you damn well better believe he will quiet the Iraq tough talk and pare down his Fox News appearances.
 
Fenian_Bastard said:
Football_Bat said:
wicked said:
Well, it did set up Clinton pretty well for 1996.

And, technically, it wouldn't be a 51-49 majority -- it'd be 49-49, with two independents (Lieberman, Sanders) caucusing with the Dems.

Pat Buchanan and Chris Matthews mentioned this last night on MSNBC ... if Tester and Webb win, look for the GOP to offer Lieberman the kitchen sink to caucus with them.

Also, if Bush were to name Lieberman defense secretary were Rumsfeld to leave, or to another cabinet position, that leaves Connecticut's Republican governor to pick a replacement. I'm sure the Rove Playbook already has that option in there.

Dems will hold the Senate very precariously.
Swing and a miss.

Not sure, Bat, but the only spot left for the Connecticut dickhead is at the UN, since there's no way Bolton gets confirmed either by this Senate or the next one.

Well, Bush renominated him....apparently hoping that a nomination defeat will energize the right...
 
Amazing that not one single Republican running for congress, senate or governor beat an incumbent Democrat.

The times, they are a changed.
 
If this Jon Tester guy from Montana isn't Walter Sobchak from The Big Lebowski, I'm Laura Ingraham.

This will not -- heh, heh -- end well.
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2006/11/senior-staffer-allen-not-emboldened-to.html
 

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