Tim Tebow: Fraud?

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outofplace said:
**** Whitman said:
Stoney said:
**** Whitman said:
Manti Te'o is every bit the folk hero among Notre Dame fans that Tebow was among Florida fans.

Some distinct differences:

The "folk hero" type popularity with Teo didn't really begin until his senior year, and most of the nation outside Domer World barely knew anything about him until this year. With Tebow it began basically around the end of his freshman year and only grew from there. 1 year of it vs. 4 years of it.

Tebow's teams won big all four years, and he won two national championships. Teo's first three teams were pretty crappy by Notre Dame standards, only his fourth one is a title contender. 4 good teams vs. 1 good team.

A Heisman Trophy winner vs. a Heisman Trophy loser.

Those certainly are differences, but I don't think those kind of one-to-one comparisons completely work here.

Certainly Te'o's first three Notre Dame teams were nothing particularly special, but his final team - win or lose on Jan. 7 - is one of those that will be revered for all-time by its fan base. Kind of like the Kentucky basketball team that made a run after probation finally had ended for that program.

Te'o picked Notre Dame on National Signing Day, when I think most had him pegged for USC, his school's biggest rival and one that it had beat it like a drum the previous few years. It was a pretty shocking signing by what was essentially a lame-duck head coach - and a defensive player at that, at a school that had long struggled to stop anybody. As much as a recruiting coup can, this one energized a very demoralized fan base.

Then you have the personal travails he's gone through this season, losing both his girlfriend and grandmother the same week.

And the fact that he elected to return for his senior season rather than jump to the NFL, as most expected.

And the fact that, well, he attends a school that has a habit of making folk heroes out of its football stars.

I'm not even convinced that finishing second in the Heisman race hurts his standing at all, among his own fan base. He was a linebacker finishing that high, first of all. Second of all, at least from what I've seen and heard from some of the loonier portions of that fan base, it feeds into their persecution complex.

Domers whining? Unpossible!

Maybe he reaches the same level among Notre Dame fans as Tebow does for Florida. Maybe. But who cares? The national profile is the real comparison and on that, he doesn't come close.

Well, I certainly agree with that.

But college football fans are so provincial, most players are beloved by their own fan base, hated with a burning white passion by others.

I suppose Tebow at least had the evangelical support to go along with the predictable UF fan support.

But he was somewhat polarizing in college because of all of the gushing over him - reminded me a lot of Tyler Hansbrough.
 
Mizzougrad96 said:
I think he's the most popular college player of my lifetime. He was a three-time Heisman finalist, won two national titles for one of the highest-profile programs in the country. Between that and all the charity work that he was even doing back then, it's not hard to understand why he was so insanely popular.

That, and the other factor that made him so popular was that he was such a damn unusual style quarterback.

If he'd been your standard 6'5" NFL pro style pocket passing QB, I doubt he'd have had the same type of folk hero popularity. But instead he was this bizarre "Fullback" QB who put his head down and steamrolled over linebackers like a bowling ball cutting through pins, and had this weird loopy throwing motion, and threw these retro 1940s jump passes--it just made him so damn fun to watch compared to your standard prototype passing QB.

Similar story with Flutie. It was the oddness of his style, more than how good he was, that accounted for his wild popularity. Seeing that kind of success from a QB that short, who seemed to run around in circles on every other play, was just fun as hell to watch. If he'd been equally good, but normal sized and normal stylled, he wouldn't have had a fraction of the popularity he did.
 
MisterCreosote said:
I wouldn't know who Manti Te'o is if he walked up and kicked me in the balls.

I guess my point was that lots of college football fan bases are good at making folk heroes out of their own top players.
 
**** Whitman said:
MisterCreosote said:
I wouldn't know who Manti Te'o is if he walked up and kicked me in the balls.

I guess my point was that lots of college football fan bases are good at making folk heroes out of their own top players.

This guy won "master debater"?
 
YankeeFan said:
**** Whitman said:
MisterCreosote said:
I wouldn't know who Manti Te'o is if he walked up and kicked me in the balls.

I guess my point was that lots of college football fan bases are good at making folk heroes out of their own top players.

This guy won "master debater"?

Prove me wrong!
 
If they don't have a tent to put over that circus, they should rent one on a single-day basis.
 
jr/shotglass said:
If they don't have a tent to put over that circus, they should rent one on a single-day basis.

They must be "showcasing him" for a trade.
 
I saw someone on Twitter suggest that the perfect way to end the season would have been to sign Farve for one game to start on Sunday.
 
YankeeFan said:
I saw someone on Twitter suggest that the perfect way to end the season would have been to sign Farve for one game to start on Sunday.

He's rested! And ready!
 
Riptide said:
YankeeFan said:
I saw someone on Twitter suggest that the perfect way to end the season would have been to sign Farve for one game to start on Sunday.

He's rested! And ready!

He might need a happy ending massage first.
 
PCLoadLetter said:
MisterCreosote said:
I wouldn't know who Manti Te'o is if he walked up and kicked me in the balls.

I think you're getting him confused with Ndamukong Suh.

I'd just like to thank PCLoadLetter for the new avatar.
 
Mizzougrad96 said:
Has there been any follow-up on Mort's report that he's a lock to go to Jacksonville?


Joe's Tarp Rental of Jacksonville just posted on craiglist "big tarp for sale."
 
PCLoadLetter said:
Riptide said:
PCLoadLetter said:
MisterCreosote said:
I wouldn't know who Manti Te'o is if he walked up and kicked me in the balls.

I think you're getting him confused with Ndamukong Suh.

I'd just like to thank PCLoadLetter for the new avatar.

Yeah, I got tired of the blonde stuffing her finger up to her sinuses.

And this one looks like a solid future 6.
 

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