Technical baseball question

[3_Octave_Fart]

If a guy steps up to the plate with a runner on and two outs, and the runner gets thrown out on a stolen base attempt to end the inning, is the hitter still credited with a plate appearance?

 

[Spartan Squad]

If a guy steps up to the plate with a runner on and two outs, and the runner gets thrown out on a stolen base attempt to end the inning, is the hitter still credited with a plate appearance?

According to this, no.

What is a Plate Appearance (PA)? | Glossary

 

[Elliotte Friedman]

No, he leads off the next inning. Seen it before

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

No, he leads off the next inning. Seen it before

Could be pinch-hit for. Or it could end the game.

 

[Sea Bass]

I can’t see how it would be a PA, even in the circumstances TSP mentioned. There was no outcome to it, so there’s no way it could be scored.

 

[wchDr]

Ok, let's keep this going (baseball rules are so fun). A batter is hit by pitch, runs to first, overruns the base, and then makes the turn toward second. Live runner that can be thrown out?

(also, same question for a BB or dropped 3rd strike)

 

[Sea Bass]

HBP the ball is dead, so my guess is no. The ball is live in the other scenarios, so my guess is yes.

 

[Batman]

I did see this weird one once: Guy on first goes to steal second on a full count, and the batter walks. Catcher throws to second, and the runner overslides the base. Shortstop makes the tag and gets the out, since the runner had already gotten second base and was technically on his way to third according to the rules.

 

[bigpern23]

I did see this weird one once: Guy on first goes to steal second on a full count, and the batter walks. Catcher throws to second, and the runner overslides the base. Shortstop makes the tag and gets the out, since the runner had already gotten second base and was technically on his way to third according to the rules.

That's got to be wrong. If he slid into second base, he was not on his way to third base. Unless he trotted into second and turned toward third base, there's no way he's out.

I'd protest the **** out of that one (and it would ultimately be upheld because no game played under protest has ever been overturned in the history of baseball).

 

[Batman]

That's got to be wrong. If he slid into second base, he was not on his way to third base. Unless he trotted into second and turned toward third base, there's no way he's out.

I'd protest the **** out of that one (and it would ultimately be upheld because no game played under protest has ever been overturned in the history of baseball).

It was in a college game. I think it was the NCAA super regional with LSU and Stony Brook in 2012 or so. I know the team that was batting was LSU.
The runner tagged second base, but came off the bag on the slide. So, in effect, the ruling was that he had gotten the base he was entitled to and gave it up to try for third. He then was tagged out before he could get back on the bag.

 

[Shropshire Slasher]

It was in a college game. I think it was the NCAA super regional with LSU and Stony Brook in 2012 or so. I know the team that was batting was LSU.
The runner tagged second base, but came off the bag on the slide. So, in effect, the ruling was that he had gotten the base he was entitled to and gave it up to try for third. He then was tagged out before he could get back on the bag.

All you had to say was Stony Brook.

On ball four it's a dead play and the runner at first is awarded second. I would have awarded Stony Brook's coach a misdemeanor on the crew chief.

 

[bigpern23]

It was in a college game. I think it was the NCAA super regional with LSU and Stony Brook in 2012 or so. I know the team that was batting was LSU.
The runner tagged second base, but came off the bag on the slide. So, in effect, the ruling was that he had gotten the base he was entitled to and gave it up to try for third. He then was tagged out before he could get back on the bag.

If he was sliding into the bag, that's a horse**** call. He made no effort toward third base.

 

[3_Octave_Fart]

No, he leads off the next inning. Seen it before

Yes, but does he get two PAs on the stat sheet? He's batting under two discrete events.

Thank you for the responses.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

Yes, but does he get two PAs on the stat sheet? He's batting under two discrete events.

Thank you for the responses.

No, he doesn’t get the plate appearance until he gets an outcome. If he’s just standing at the plate when a runner is thrown out, it’s not a plate appearance. And his ball-strike count (if any) doesn’t carry over to the next inning.

 

[3_Octave_Fart]

OK, to extend it further: Say this happens in the top of the first inning and the batter (a first baseman) is injured getting out of the way of the catcher on the stolen base attempt, which results in a third out. Is the guy credited with a game played? He hasn't set foot on the diamond as a fielder.

 

[Spartan Squad]

OK, to extend it further: Say this happens in the top of the first inning and the batter (a first baseman) is injured getting out of the way of the catcher on the stolen base attempt, which results in a third out. Is the guy credited with a game played? He hasn't set foot on the diamond as a fielder.

I feel like the answer is yes, but didn't Ripkin have to wait until the 5th inning until he got his games-played record officially?

 

[Sea Bass]

OK, to extend it further: Say this happens in the top of the first inning and the batter (a first baseman) is injured getting out of the way of the catcher on the stolen base attempt, which results in a third out. Is the guy credited with a game played? He hasn't set foot on the diamond as a fielder.

My guess is yes, as he was in the starting lineup.

EDIT: Rule 9.20 says yes.

https://content.mlb.com/documents/2/2/4/305750224/2019_Official_Baseball_Rules_FINAL_.pdf

 

[GilGarrido]

I feel like the answer is yes, but didn't Ripkin have to wait until the 5th inning until he got his games-played record officially?

Yes, but that was so the game would be an official completed game, not so that Ripken's participation in it would be sufficient. He could have played in the field for the first batter and been replaced, and it would have been enough as long as the game went the required five innings to make it official.

 

[Starman]

Once Ripken's streak became a thing, I'm pretty sure he was never lifted before or during his first plate appearance, so nobody could demand any asterisks attached to the streak.

I think, although I could be wrong, in the last couple seasons of the streak, he was very occasionally lifted late in blowout games -- although for the great majority of the streak, he played every inning of every game.

 

[Sea Bass]

Once Ripken's streak became a thing, I'm pretty sure he was never lifted before or during his first plate appearance, so nobody could demand any asterisks attached to the streak.

I think, although I could be wrong, in the last couple seasons of the streak, he was very occasionally lifted late in blowout games -- although for the great majority of the streak, he played every inning of every game.

His PA’s appear to bear that out. In 1998, the year the streak ended, he played in 161 of 162 games. He had at least three PA’s in 159 games, had two in one game, and had one in the season finale.