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There's been lots of talk about online newspaper comments. Today, I met with huge disappointment when I looked at a just-published feature story on a skydiving competition to find that the damned person who coordinated it posted a long rant.

It didn't ruin the story. I think it's a great story, but I sure can't send anyone to the link if I want to use it as a clip, and the editors are going to get the wrong impression. What sucks is that I did nothing wrong. The person is mad that I didn't cover the extreme skydiving event as a sport and that the story makes skydivers out to be "crazy people."

The only time crazy was used was when one of the participants said people think she's crazy.

The story was a local section feature. I was asked to write about the people and their uniqueness. So I wrote a story about the common bond of skydiving and how it brings together diverse people, all of whom love the excitement of the sport.

The result of the competition was supposed to be summarized in a single graph. It wasn't a sports story at all. Yet the guy complains that the paper's sports section covers cage fighting, which he says isn't a sport, but doesn't cover skydiving as a sport.

After launching all these missiles at my story, the commenter proceeds to copy his poorly written press release with its all-caps designation for words he thinks are especially important and quotation marks around the name of the event and just about anything else he thinks doesn't quite deserve full capitalization.

I'm just pissed. We were the only one of four different newspapers and five different TV stations to cover the damned event, and the guy is completely ungrateful.

I know the short answer is that the guy's a **** and I should just blow it off. But don't you get tired of dip****s anonymously trashing your work? If I were a national columnist, I could take the heat. But I'm trying to impress editors and climb the ladder. Instead, some jackass is knocking me off the ladder.

The bigger picture, I guess, is that editors no longer get phone calls. Instead, people just toss a complaint on a Web site, where everyone else can read it. In the past, papers would sort out the complaints and then only post corrections, etc., when one was warranted. Now commenters can say just about anything. And the sad part is that people tend to pile on because they have this sense that the media is about the same as the government, an all-evil empire trying to alter their world to the detriment of living things.

Had the person sent the message directly to me or to an editor, there would be a conversation. Instead, it's just this nameless post at the end of a story. I don't know what the ethics folks say. Can I e-mail the guy? Should I e-mail the guy? Should I send the editor a note explaining things?
 
If you need it for a clip, couldn't you use a printer-friendly version? That wouldn't have the comments.
 
Boobie Miles said:
If you need it for a clip, couldn't you use a printer-friendly version? That wouldn't have the comments.

Bingo. I can't do that with archived stories because the option disappears. But you can do it with current stories. So that fixed the clip issue. It still leaves a big problem. What I most despise are the comments on stories about serious matters. For example, my hometown paper allows comments on murder stories, crash stories, etc. I actually read a crash story a few weeks ago from someone complaining that two local kids killed in a crash got less coverage than the campus shootings at NIU. The person made the argument that it was just as tragic.
 
I've ranted on this before, but I think allowing online comments is a huge mistake.

I can tell you that if your story ran in my local metro paper the comments would have broken down into two camps. 50% would post "why is this news?" The other 50% would post that we should drop Mexicans out of planes without parachutes. And I'm not exaggerating.

There was a story on a 15 year old girl who is a very accomplished musician. It had a photo of her standing in front of her school. Comment number two: "That chick really needs some breast implants."

I would bet the number of people driven away from newspapers because of **** like that is far greater than the number who are attracted by the "reader involvement."
 
A pet peeve. There's no way comments should be listed at the bottom of stories. You should have to click a separate link. Newspapers are falling all over themselves to get interaction with readers on their web sites, and that's fine. But they need to draw a much clearer line between what is generated by readers and what is generated by staff.

Having said that, these anonymous people have just as much right to have their say about what we write as we have to write it.
 
PCLoadLetter is right. I stopped reading the comments on my stories because the people making them were so stupid. To support part of his claim:

We had a story a week ago about a 14-year-old girl who ran into a burning building and saved a sleeping woman and her baby. There is a picture of the heroic girl (who happens to be Hispanic) standing outside her house and one of the first comments was: "Someone call the INS." Awesome. Who wants to read **** like that at the end of an otherwise uplifting story?
 
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Bob Loblaw Law Blog said:
PCLoadLetter is right. I stopped reading the comments on my stories because the people making them were so stupid. To support part of his claim:

We had a story a week ago about a 14-year-old girl who ran into a burning building and saved a sleeping woman and her baby. There is a picture of the heroic girl (who happens to be Hispanic) standing outside her house and one of the first comments was: "Someone call the INS." Awesome. Who wants to read **** like that at the end of an otherwise uplifting story?

i don't care if the story is uplifting or not. i just don't want to read **** like that.

and we wonder why our medium is dying.
 
One of these days, a newspaper is gonna get sued for libel for what's in the comments section of its Web site. It's gonna say that's not staff-generated content, and it's gonna lose the case. I'm just waiting for the day.
 
deskslave said:
One of these days, a newspaper is gonna get sued for libel for what's in the comments section of its Web site. It's gonna say that's not staff-generated content, and it's gonna lose the case. I'm just waiting for the day.

libel on the web is a very tough case. much different than real print.

it still bankrupts credibility, though.
 
deskslave said:
One of these days, a newspaper is gonna get sued for libel for what's in the comments section of its Web site. It's gonna say that's not staff-generated content, and it's gonna lose the case. I'm just waiting for the day.

I would say this has some legs only because newspapers have the option of filtering comments (i.e. they can delete obscene, racist, sexist posts) before they are out there to read.

If a paper elects not to use this method, it's somewhat condoning the comments; the good, bad and ugly.
 
In a small market it is nice to read comments. Its also nice to get feedback from your family and friends, especially when you aren't a big shot and a little encouragement goes a long way.
 
We screen all comments before they're posted and we screen them closely.

We have a big story that's gaining national attention in our market right now, so comments have been rushing in from all over the country. Some are tactful and some aren't, but for the most part, they aren't about the way the story was reported as much as the nature of the story itself.

In fact, we rarely get comments from people criticizing the way we reported something. We approve them if we do, though, as long as they are factually correct.
 
I would be dead set against adding comments to stories on my paper's Web site. I don't have the inclination to add online babysitter to my job duties. I'd never have time to breathe.
 
Not only does my shop not filter comments, we print many of them twice a week. Unedited.

A third of the posts are "we rok. go hi skool!" or "you suk" or "XX cant rite. he sux".

It's actually kind of entertaining to read.
 
I understand the frustration, but interactivity with readers is here to stay.

I like the models where you at least have to register with a real name to post; you can't just go in and type anything you want under whatever name you want.

Every one of our stories has a message board on the bottom, and some get hundreds of comments. For us, this is a good thing, not a bad thing. We police them some, but there's no way you're going to see every message board comment, no matter how many people you have dedicated to doing it.

Tom, our medium isn't dying because of message board comments. The technological advances that include these things are offering hope for the medium -- well, now media -- as the print side continues to slide.

Oldtimers might not like it -- and I'm included in the oldtimer group -- but interactivity is the way of the future, and there's going to be more, not less.

One interesting sidelight (well, I find it interesting): We're actually finding pockets of real talent in our user generated blogs -- you have to earn a certain level of trust to start one -- including a 17-year-old who has a real future and a guy who followed the entire first weekend of the tournament with great expertise and generated some great stuff. So there's upside possible with reader involvement, too.
 
didntdoit19 said:
Not only does my shop not filter comments, we print many of them twice a week. Unedited.

A third of the posts are "we rok. go hi skool!" or "you suk" or "XX cant rite. he sux".

It's actually kind of entertaining to read.

What is the difference between printing a comment from "Harry In Greenwich" -- and some anonymous typed note, that is if you don't have formal registration, which many places don't.

If you want to see this at its worst, like the guy who got arrested and tasered supposedly commenting on the story about his arrest and tasering, go to www.poststar.com and look under "Most Commented."

The Post Star is a good, solid local paper with an active web presence.

This part, not so much.
 
SF_Express said:
I understand the frustration, but interactivity with readers is here to stay.

I like the models where you at least have to register with a real name to post; you can't just go in and type anything you want under whatever name you want.


Tom, our medium isn't dying because of message board comments. The technological advances that include these things are offering hope for the medium -- well, now media -- as the print side continues to slide.

sf - allowing racists to attach their hatred of asians, gays, blacks, the irish, whatever, to our stories as though we give a **** about their bigotry does nothing to enhance this medium.

i stand by what i said.
 
Tom Petty said:
SF_Express said:
I understand the frustration, but interactivity with readers is here to stay.

I like the models where you at least have to register with a real name to post; you can't just go in and type anything you want under whatever name you want.


Tom, our medium isn't dying because of message board comments. The technological advances that include these things are offering hope for the medium -- well, now media -- as the print side continues to slide.

sf - allowing racists to attach their hatred of asians, gays, blacks, the irish, whatever, to our stories as though we give a **** about their bigotry does nothing to enhance this medium.

i stand by what i said.

And I totally agree. The idea of interactivity is nice. The reality, at least on a local level, is ugly, mean spirited, racist and embarrassing for everyone involved in the original story.

If you're going to have comments, at least put them on a separate page or make people register before they even see the comments. It would be nice if the family of a 15 year old honor student could read a story about her without being immediate hit with comments about her breasts.
 
PCLoadLetter said:
And I totally agree. The idea of interactivity is nice. The reality, at least on a local level, is ugly, mean spirited, racist and embarrassing for everyone involved in the original story.

Good example that happened today: I happened upon a story about the University of Maryland possibly not establishing a Latino studies minor in The Diamondback. One of the comments was by America for Americans, and it read thusly: "Latino studies???

What for? To go and turn this country into Mexico??

If you want Mexico, go down there and eat it up! What are ya doin' here?

If y'all are white, you are nuts. You deserve to be taken over by your enemies . . ."

And The Diamondback's Web site purports to be moderated.
 
I think the problem is that you CAN'T moderate comments. Freedom of speech and whatnot.

You either have to let everything through unedited or you have to completely disable comments. I don't think there is a middle ground.
 

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