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Oh, my goodness.
Did he or did he not call for the NCAA to regulate freedom of the press?
 
What's the point of SMG making people register? For newspapers and all, I understand how it works, with the advertising and all. But isn't that site pretty much an industry type site for reading purposes, and not much else?
 
Wow. A lot of what Rick said really, really struck a deep chord with me.
 
Flying Headbutt said:
What's the point of SMG making people register? For newspapers and all, I understand how it works, with the advertising and all. But isn't that site pretty much an industry type site for reading purposes, and not much else?

Hmm... and it's not registered on www.bugmenot.com yet, either.

Who wants to volunteer to set up the SportsJournalists.com group login?
 
For what it's worth, I've been registered for a few weeks and I haven't gotten any spam because of it. So it should be safe.
 
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Q. What did you know about Baltimore when you took the job?

A. I had never been here. I knew a bit about the rich sports history and the sports teams. It's been an education from the moment I stepped foot in town, and it's continuing today. I have books about the city's history and the sports history and I have a job where you go out and talk to people every day - the best way to learn.

I think it's a great idea to give a column to someone young. But I think it's a big mistake to give a column to someone lacking the foundation of knowledge that's a prerequisite for the creation of an informed opinion. And I think Maese has struggled in Baltimore when writing about the local sports scene -- he simply doesn't have the knowledge to write credibly about anything that happened here before he arrived two years ago.

Maese says he was in the Albuquerque newsroom from the age of 14. I have no doubt he could write unbelievably good columns about Albuquerque. I wish The Sun had been able to find someone young who possesses the same kind of knowledge about Baltimore that Maese must have about his hometown.
 
Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!! said:
I liked his take on the Gundy-Carlson situation and the fan reaction.

I don't think his take on it is all that much different from anyone on here. We all think there's a disconnect between us and our readers. Whether it's growing, I don't know. I think they've always been suspicious of us because they think we're getting a free ticket while they have to pay.
 
Baltimoreguy said:
Q. What did you know about Baltimore when you took the job?

A. I had never been here. I knew a bit about the rich sports history and the sports teams. It's been an education from the moment I stepped foot in town, and it's continuing today. I have books about the city's history and the sports history and I have a job where you go out and talk to people every day - the best way to learn.

I think it's a great idea to give a column to someone young. But I think it's a big mistake to give a column to someone lacking the foundation of knowledge that's a prerequisite for the creation of an informed opinion. And I think Maese has struggled in Baltimore when writing about the local sports scene -- he simply doesn't have the knowledge to write credibly about anything that happened here before he arrived two years ago.

Maese says he was in the Albuquerque newsroom from the age of 14. I have no doubt he could write unbelievably good columns about Albuquerque. I wish The Sun had been able to find someone young who possesses the same kind of knowledge about Baltimore that Maese must have about his hometown.

I think, and I don't mean this as a personal shot at you BmoreGuy, that Baltimore people need to get past the idea that no one can write about their city unless they grew up there. Newspapers don't have John Steadmans anymore. Either a columnist is able to understand a city's history and write credibly about it, or he (or she) isn't. Geography, in the end, has very little to do with it. No one in Portland says that John Canzano can't understand the Blazers because he's not from Portland. Or that Mitch Albom doesn't "get" Detroit because he grew up in New Jersey and went to Princeton instead of Michigan State. Or that Selena Roberts has no credibility writing about the Yankees, Knicks, Giants, Mets and Jets because she was born in Florida and went to college at Auburn. But people in Baltimore whine about this all the time. It is, in my opinion, a prime example of how provincial and insecure the city is. If Maese doesn't connect with his audience, that's an opinion and perhaps a fair one. But it's silly to say "well, it's because he's not one of us."
 
Double Down said:
Baltimoreguy said:
Q. What did you know about Baltimore when you took the job?

A. I had never been here. I knew a bit about the rich sports history and the sports teams. It's been an education from the moment I stepped foot in town, and it's continuing today. I have books about the city's history and the sports history and I have a job where you go out and talk to people every day - the best way to learn.

I think it's a great idea to give a column to someone young. But I think it's a big mistake to give a column to someone lacking the foundation of knowledge that's a prerequisite for the creation of an informed opinion. And I think Maese has struggled in Baltimore when writing about the local sports scene -- he simply doesn't have the knowledge to write credibly about anything that happened here before he arrived two years ago.

Maese says he was in the Albuquerque newsroom from the age of 14. I have no doubt he could write unbelievably good columns about Albuquerque. I wish The Sun had been able to find someone young who possesses the same kind of knowledge about Baltimore that Maese must have about his hometown.

I think, and I don't mean this as a personal shot at you BmoreGuy, that Baltimore people need to get past the idea that no one can write about their city unless they grew up there. Newspapers don't have John Steadmans anymore. Either a columnist is able to understand a city's history and write credibly about it, or he (or she) isn't. Geography, in the end, has very little to do with it. No one in Portland says that John Canzano can't understand the Blazers because he's not from Portland. Or that Mitch Albom doesn't "get" Detroit because he grew up in New Jersey and went to Princeton instead of Michigan State. Or that Selena Roberts has no credibility writing about the Yankees, Knicks, Giants, Mets and Jets because she was born in Florida and went to college at Auburn. But people in Baltimore whine about this all the time. It is, in my opinion, a prime example of how provincial and insecure the city is. If Maese doesn't connect with his audience, that's an opinion and perhaps a fair one. But it's silly to say "well, it's because he's not one of us."

DD,
I completely understand what you're saying, and I agree that Baltimore is amazingly parochial. But my point was more that for a columnist to be effective, he or she must first be perceived as (and be) a credible expert. If the columnist lacks expert knowledge, then who cares what his or her opinion is?

Traditionally, writers spend long years on the beat before being adjudged expert enough to merit a column. In Baltimore, Ken Rosenthal eventually became a very popular columnist because his years on the beat served as proof that he had the requisite knowledge to make his opinion meaningful. I don’t think that’s the only way a columnist can be developed.

I like The Sun’s embrace of younger writers on major beats. And I like the idea of giving a column to someone who’s not an older white guy jaded by two decades on a beat (I still like the occasional Sports Guy column – particularly when he sticks to the areas where he’s proven himself an expert, like all the funny and goofy **** you see when you watch televised sports for 10 straight hours on a Sunday). If there were some 25-year-old who knows Baltimore sports the way Simmons knows Boston, I would love to read his column.

But to give a column to someone who has neither ever set foot in the city before, nor worked to amass a body of professional expertise upon which to draw, is – in my opinion – a mistake. Simply put, it's hard to care much what Maese says about the Orioles when he knows almost nothing about the team and his status as a credible authority on major league baseball hasn't been established.

And I don’t think this is just a Baltimore issue. Are you telling me people in the cosmopolitan hub of Boston would enthusiastically welcome a columnist who had never once set foot in the city before the day he started writing for The Globe?
 
Baltimoreguy said:
Double Down said:
Baltimoreguy said:
Q. What did you know about Baltimore when you took the job?

A. I had never been here. I knew a bit about the rich sports history and the sports teams. It's been an education from the moment I stepped foot in town, and it's continuing today. I have books about the city's history and the sports history and I have a job where you go out and talk to people every day - the best way to learn.

I think it's a great idea to give a column to someone young. But I think it's a big mistake to give a column to someone lacking the foundation of knowledge that's a prerequisite for the creation of an informed opinion. And I think Maese has struggled in Baltimore when writing about the local sports scene -- he simply doesn't have the knowledge to write credibly about anything that happened here before he arrived two years ago.

Maese says he was in the Albuquerque newsroom from the age of 14. I have no doubt he could write unbelievably good columns about Albuquerque. I wish The Sun had been able to find someone young who possesses the same kind of knowledge about Baltimore that Maese must have about his hometown.

I think, and I don't mean this as a personal shot at you BmoreGuy, that Baltimore people need to get past the idea that no one can write about their city unless they grew up there. Newspapers don't have John Steadmans anymore. Either a columnist is able to understand a city's history and write credibly about it, or he (or she) isn't. Geography, in the end, has very little to do with it. No one in Portland says that John Canzano can't understand the Blazers because he's not from Portland. Or that Mitch Albom doesn't "get" Detroit because he grew up in New Jersey and went to Princeton instead of Michigan State. Or that Selena Roberts has no credibility writing about the Yankees, Knicks, Giants, Mets and Jets because she was born in Florida and went to college at Auburn. But people in Baltimore whine about this all the time. It is, in my opinion, a prime example of how provincial and insecure the city is. If Maese doesn't connect with his audience, that's an opinion and perhaps a fair one. But it's silly to say "well, it's because he's not one of us."

DD,
I completely understand what you're saying, and I agree that Baltimore is amazingly parochial. But my point was more that for a columnist to be effective, he or she must first be perceived as (and be) a credible expert. If the columnist lacks expert knowledge, then who cares what his or her opinion is?

Traditionally, writers spend long years on the beat before being adjudged expert enough to merit a column. In Baltimore, Ken Rosenthal eventually became a very popular columnist because his years on the beat served as proof that he had the requisite knowledge to make his opinion meaningful. I don’t think that’s the only way a columnist can be developed.

I like The Sun’s embrace of younger writers on major beats. And I like the idea of giving a column to someone who’s not an older white guy jaded by two decades on a beat (I still like the occasional Sports Guy column – particularly when he sticks to the areas where he’s proven himself an expert, like all the funny and goofy **** you see when you watch televised sports for 10 straight hours on a Sunday). If there were some 25-year-old who knows Baltimore sports the way Simmons knows Boston, I would love to read his column.

But to give a column to someone who has neither ever set foot in the city before, nor worked to amass a body of professional expertise upon which to draw, is – in my opinion – a mistake. Simply put, it's hard to care much what Maese says about the Orioles when he knows almost nothing about the team and his status as a credible authority on major league baseball hasn't been established.

And I don’t think this is just a Baltimore issue. Are you telling me people in the cosmopolitan hub of Boston would enthusiastically welcome a columnist who had never once set foot in the city before the day he started writing for The Globe?

Maese is ridiculously talented. I don't think not being from somewhere means you're devoid of knowledge or authority. Sometimes (note, I said sometimes), I think an outsider can have a better perspective than someone who has been in the area for decades because they bring new ideas and a different way of looking at things.

Take down the road at the WashPo. Boz and Wilbon have been there for eons, but these days I'll take Mike Wise when it comes to the Redskins or the Wizards (I still go to Boz for all things baseball) because Mike does a little better job of calling out the locals and trying to shake the city from its Redskins and Gibbs-induced stupor.

And Rosenthal, for all his talent, always seemed to be trying to be a 2-inch taller version of Lupica. And I'm not just saying this because at my first Opening Day in '97 I waited 40 minutes to get a good spot in front of Ripken's locker (conveniently placed in the back corner of the locker room so he could make a quick getaway if he didn't want to chat) and Rosenthal's butt came squirming through. OK, so maybe that is why I'm saying it. Then again, I'm petty.
 
I don't want to turn this into a Maese-bashing session, but I think the names of the effective non-hometown columnists being mentioned in this thread are backing up my point.

Mike Wise was writing enterprise and investigative stories for 10 years at the NY Times.

Selena Roberts had been an NFL beat writer for a decade in Minnesota, then spent another 6 years writing for the NYT before starting her column.

Canzano had covered some major beats and won an AP Award for Investigative Reporting.
 
Baltimoreguy said:
Q. What did you know about Baltimore when you took the job?

A. I had never been here. I knew a bit about the rich sports history and the sports teams. It's been an education from the moment I stepped foot in town, and it's continuing today. I have books about the city's history and the sports history and I have a job where you go out and talk to people every day - the best way to learn.

I think it's a great idea to give a column to someone young. But I think it's a big mistake to give a column to someone lacking the foundation of knowledge that's a prerequisite for the creation of an informed opinion. And I think Maese has struggled in Baltimore when writing about the local sports scene -- he simply doesn't have the knowledge to write credibly about anything that happened here before he arrived two years ago.

Maese says he was in the Albuquerque newsroom from the age of 14. I have no doubt he could write unbelievably good columns about Albuquerque. I wish The Sun had been able to find someone young who possesses the same kind of knowledge about Baltimore that Maese must have about his hometown.


Really?
Red Smith was from Wisconsin.
Jim Murray from Connecticut.
 
But I think that's a different argument, CharmCityFella. Maese was a takeout writer, investigative reporter and metro columnist in Orlando. He was a police/metro reporter in New Mexico. If the argument is you need to cover a sports beat before you get a sports column, then I understand that point better, even if I don't always agree with it.

If the reporter doesn't have a wealth of "experience" or local knowledge to draw upon, it's up to him (or her) to do enough reporting to make up for it. I think that's Rick's point in the interview. I haven't read all of his work, but the stuff I have read, to me, is usually backed up up by a fair amount of interviewing and reporting. He's not someone who just shoots from the lip about Baltimore stuff, for precisely the reasons you mentioned. He's not comfortable without having the history.

At some point though Baltimore's attitude about "You don't understand our history!" (as well as Boston's) goes way overboard for me. Does understanding what it felt like when the Colts left town in Mayflower vans or when the ball rolled through Buckner's legs give you context? Does remembering the O's 0-23 start or Frank Reich's comback win over Miami? Sure. But what, in the end, does it have to do with the Derek Anderson punking the Ravens secondary this Sunday? Or Maryland's win over Rutgers? Not that much.

Credibility, ultimately, is earned by a columnist with their words and their opinions, not what they did BEFORE they got the job.
 
fishwrapper said:
Baltimoreguy said:
Q. What did you know about Baltimore when you took the job?

A. I had never been here. I knew a bit about the rich sports history and the sports teams. It's been an education from the moment I stepped foot in town, and it's continuing today. I have books about the city's history and the sports history and I have a job where you go out and talk to people every day - the best way to learn.

I think it's a great idea to give a column to someone young. But I think it's a big mistake to give a column to someone lacking the foundation of knowledge that's a prerequisite for the creation of an informed opinion. And I think Maese has struggled in Baltimore when writing about the local sports scene -- he simply doesn't have the knowledge to write credibly about anything that happened here before he arrived two years ago.

Maese says he was in the Albuquerque newsroom from the age of 14. I have no doubt he could write unbelievably good columns about Albuquerque. I wish The Sun had been able to find someone young who possesses the same kind of knowledge about Baltimore that Maese must have about his hometown.


Really?
Red Smith was from Wisconsin.
Jim Murray from Connecticut.

And Jim Murray worked as reporter and editor in LA for 17 years before he wrote his first column.

And Red Smith worked for papers in the Midwest and Philadelphia for 18 years before joining the New York Herald Tribune.

What's your point?
 
The thing that's stood out to me about Maese's work in Baltimore is that he's never appeared to have tried to bull**** his way through an issue. He doesn't half-ass it or go shallow on things, when I see plenty of columnists who do. Maese does his homework, works hard, and seems to show a legitimate interest in the city. Even if you want to consider him relatively new to Baltimore, he's done a good job of talking to people to gain perspective of the past while also reading up on things too. I'm not sure how anyone in Baltimore can really complain about him, because even if you don't like the points he makes or the opinions he gives, he never just throws **** to the wall and hopes it sticks. He comes with a foundation.
 
I was a big fan of Maese's work in Orlando, and I can only compliment a paper the size of the Sun for taking a chance on such a young guy in a columnist's chair. Every 20-something reporter (or, um, 14-year-olds in the newsroom) out there who dreams big should hope Maese continues to do well.
 
Double Down said:
If the reporter doesn't have a wealth of "experience" or local knowledge to draw upon, it's up to him (or her) to do enough reporting to make up for it. I think that's Rick's point in the interview. I haven't read all of his work, but the stuff I have read, to me, is usually backed up by a fair amount of interviewing and reporting. He's not someone who just shoots from the lip about Baltimore stuff, for precisely the reasons you mentioned. He's not comfortable without having the history.

This is a solid point. Steele and Schmuck are always good for the occasional column that simply lacks good reporting. (Ex. Steele's asterisk column from a week or so back). Whereas with Rick, I rarely finish one of his columns feeling that he didn't do his homework. Last week's column on the 87-year-old golfer was a riot.
 
Baltimoreguy said:
fishwrapper said:
Baltimoreguy said:
Q. What did you know about Baltimore when you took the job?

A. I had never been here. I knew a bit about the rich sports history and the sports teams. It's been an education from the moment I stepped foot in town, and it's continuing today. I have books about the city's history and the sports history and I have a job where you go out and talk to people every day - the best way to learn.

I think it's a great idea to give a column to someone young. But I think it's a big mistake to give a column to someone lacking the foundation of knowledge that's a prerequisite for the creation of an informed opinion. And I think Maese has struggled in Baltimore when writing about the local sports scene -- he simply doesn't have the knowledge to write credibly about anything that happened here before he arrived two years ago.

Maese says he was in the Albuquerque newsroom from the age of 14. I have no doubt he could write unbelievably good columns about Albuquerque. I wish The Sun had been able to find someone young who possesses the same kind of knowledge about Baltimore that Maese must have about his hometown.


Really?
Red Smith was from Wisconsin.
Jim Murray from Connecticut.

And Jim Murray worked as reporter and editor in LA for 17 years before he wrote his first column.

And Red Smith worked for papers in the Midwest and Philadelphia for 18 years before joining the New York Herald Tribune.

What's your point?

My point?
Rick Maese's story development and story telling outweigh that he doesn't know who played catcher on the 1974 Orioles that won the East.
The myopia of your posts signify the failure of discerning the two.
Given the options at the time, Maese's "hiring" was a good get. The hire was coming within Tribune. And a columnist on a white horse wasn't riding in from Los Angeles, Chicago or Newsday.
 
Twoback said:
Oh, my goodness.
Did he or did he not call for the NCAA to regulate freedom of the press?

Couldn't get past this sentence to read the rest of the interview.

"The site operators or reporters or whatever they call themselves are allowed to call recruits as much as they want. They're fans, not trained journalists. We cover Maryland here, and the site operators have written books with coaches they cover. People purporting to be journalists have financial arrangements with coaches and universities. They're able to call recruits without any kind of oversight."

No. 1, he's either ignorant or intentionally putting out incorrect information. Plenty of "trained journalists" have gone to work for Rivals.com, etc. Has Maese not received the bulletin that his old colleague, Mike Huguenin, now works for the Yahoo/Rivals family?

No. 2, how many sports writers at traditional papers have written books with people they cover, or have covered? You want the NCAA to stick their noses in that too?

The guy's a talented writer, and I was looking forward to reading that interview. Even registered. But throwing around generalizations like that is just silly.
 

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