Sean Lee: "It's the knee, doc..."

[shotglass]

This won't make JoePa's golden years any easier.

LB Sean Lee out for 2008 season.

 

[typewriterhill]

Other than Tom Bradley, is any worthwhile top college coach going to want this job with the way Paterno has ruined the program with prisoners and lesser talents while those programs around him (Rutgers, PITT) are improving?

 

[shotglass]

Yeah, I especially hated the way he went out there and blew out Sean Lee's knee.

 

[zebracoy]

Other than Tom Bradley, is any worthwhile top college coach going to want this job with the way Paterno has ruined the program with prisoners and lesser talents while those programs around him (Rutgers, PITT) are improving?

Yeah, I think so. One, the school's reputation - and the 110,000 who can pack the stadium - are enough to woo any kid to State College. Two, Pitt has traditionally been powerful, regardless of what Walt Harris and Dave Wannstedt have done in recent years. There's no other program around there that will ever be as close to successful as Penn State will be - and it would take probably a decade of winning for Rutgers to challenge. I can't see that happening.

 

[Pancamo]

Other than Tom Bradley, is any worthwhile top college coach going to want this job with the way Paterno has ruined the program with prisoners and lesser talents while those programs around him (Rutgers, PITT) are improving?

Jimbo Fisher has signed on to replace Bowden who has systematically destroyed what he built in a similiar manner as Paterno.

The record for wins race is ruining two programs because both old men are stubborn as hell.

 

[shotglass]

Remember, we can sit here and say that Penn State's become a second-tier program. Which, in reality, it has.

But it's tough to make that argument when you're looking at a 110,000-person whiteout. Then, it's about more than the W-L record.

 

[typewriterhill]

Is it more important for PSU fans and alums to brag about a 110k stadium and an ok winning season or actually take advantage of the storied tradition and compete for a national title?

Rutgers traditionally lost the top New Jersey football prospects to Penn State and thanks to the good job by Schiano, Rutgers is keeping some of those guys there.

Maybe Penn State wins a few more games if the offense didn't have Jay Paterno around ruining QBs or whining to daddy about a play Galen Hall selected.

 

[shotglass]

Is it more important for PSU fans and alums to brag about a 110k stadium and an ok winning season or actually take advantage of the storied tradition and compete for a national title?

Many -- many -- care more about the 110k stadium and an OK winning season.

 

[Johnsonville]

Penn State is 29-9 the last three years with a Big Ten title and two New Year's Day bowl wins. Not saying they are as good as the mid-80s, but a lot of programs would like to average 10 wins per year.

 

[shotglass]

Still a second-tier program at the moment. They are Texas A&M.

Not that there's anything wrong with that ...

 

[Pancamo]

Still a second-tier program at the moment. They are Texas A&M.

Not that there's anything wrong with that ...

You are giving A&M too much credit. A&M is 21-16 over the last three seasons and has two losing years in the last 5.

PSU is a second-tier program. I'm not sure about A&M.

 

[shotglass]

Yeah. Good point.

 

[Football_Bat]

Penn State is decidedly NOT Texas A&M. It is more Texas or OU — still a destination program for their region, with a ton of past glory and some recent success.

I don't know who the Aggie equivalent is for the Mid-Atlantic region -- Rutgers has been better.

Maryland? Cuse?

 

[Football_Bat]

You know, come to think of it, maybe Arkansas is a better comparison to Penn State, when matching region-to-region equivalents. Both were national powers back in the day and are still top-25-caliber on occasion, but no threat to go all the way. It's a better apples-to-apples comparison than you think because of the 50-year reign of Frank Broyles.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Penn State is Florida State.

 

[Dwayne T. Robinson]

It's not really Mid-Atlantic, but I'd say Texas A&M and Michigan State are awfully similar in football non-relevance. Michigan State can beat Penn State every other year or so, and A&M has had good luck with Texas lately, but otherwise they're both going nowhere.

 

[vonnegutnaked2]

It's not really Mid-Atlantic, but I'd say Texas &M and Michigan State are awfully similar in football non-relevance. Michigan State can beat Penn State every other year or so, and A&M has had good luck with Texas lately, but otherwise they're both going nowhere.

Michigan State's little brother syndrome to Michigan makes that an even better comparison. Bringing up MSU's record against Penn State (4-11 since PSU joined in '93) does not.