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Because it will get lost in the Hot Stove thread ...

Gold Glove awards were announced today. Here are your winners:
American League
P Johan Santana
C Ivan Rodriguez
1B Kevin Youkilis
2B Placido Polanco
SS Orlando Cabrera
3B Adrian Beltre
OF Torii Hunter, Grady Sizemore, Ichiro Suzuki

National League
P Greg Maddux
C Russell Martin
1B Derrek Lee
2B Orlando Hudson
SS Jimmy Rollins
3B David Wright
OF Carlos Beltran, Jeff Francoeur, Andruw Jones, Aaron Rowand

Maddux won his 17th GG, passing Jim Kaat and Brooks Robinson for the most all time. Pudge won his 13th, Andruw won his 10th. Torii and Ichiro got their 7th apiece. Cabrera won his 1st in the AL after winning in 2001 with Montreal. Lotta first-time winners otherwise. Really can't quibble with the choices (although I preferred Tulowitzki over Rollins.)

And the fact that David Wright won at 3B over Chipper Jones or Aramis Ramirez is a ****ing disgrace.
 
Et tu, Ryan Braun?

Not that they deserve any, besides maybe J.J. Hardy, but I think the Brewers have had perhaps two Gold Glovers ever.
 
Wrong, Bubs. They've had ... four. :D

1B George Scott, 1972-76
OF Sixto Lezcano, 1979
1B Cecil Cooper, 1979-80
SS Robin Yount, 1982*


* in my lifetime. Just sayin'.
 
Oh and some predictions. Good thing for a few of these guys voting was done as soon as the regular season ended.

AL ROY: Dustin Pedroia
AL Cy Young: CC Sabathia (snort)
AL MVP: A-Rod

NL ROY: Ryan Braun
NL Cy Young: Jake Peavy
NL MVP: Matt Holliday (the "winning run" that wasn't puts him over the top...would not be surprised at all if this is a tie)
 
BYH, I'm with you on the predictions, but I'm really, really, really hoping Tulowitzki beats out Braun for ROY. I liked watching that kid play.
 
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BYH said:
Oh and some predictions. Good thing for a few of these guys voting was done as soon as the regular season ended.

AL ROY: Dustin Pedroia
AL Cy Young: CC Sabathia (snort)
AL MVP: A-Rod

NL ROY: Ryan Braun
NL Cy Young: Jake Peavy
NL MVP: Matt Holliday (the "winning run" that wasn't puts him over the top...would not be surprised at all if this is a tie)
Was the voting done after the one-game playoff? I know it was a regular-season game, but I was just wondering if there had been a noon Monday deadline on submission of a vote, or not.
 
Oz said:
BYH, I'm with you on the predictions, but I'm really, really, really hoping Tulowitzki beats out Braun for ROY. I liked watching that kid play.

Damn you Oz! Damn you to hell! :D
 
So Tulowitzki had the fewest errors, the most assists of anyone since Ozzie Smith, turned more double plays than anyone in either league, and had the best zone rating of any shortstop in the game, and anchored a defense that set a major league record for fielding percentage, but he's not the gold glove winner?

Um, ok.
 
Double Down said:
So Tulowitzki had the fewest errors, the most assists of anyone since Ozzie Smith, turned more double plays than anyone in either league, and had the best zone rating of any shortstop in the game, and anchored a defense that set a major league record for fielding percentage, but he's not the gold glove winner?

Um, ok.

Good call. And he's likely not going to win any award, since Ryan Braun will probably win the ROY. I'd vote for Tulowitzki, but that's just me.

I was a defensive kind of guy when I played ball, so seeing any guy like Ryan Braun have such an inability to play the field annoys me.
 
CollegeJournalist said:
Double Down said:
So Tulowitzki had the fewest errors, the most assists of anyone since Ozzie Smith, turned more double plays than anyone in either league, and had the best zone rating of any shortstop in the game, and anchored a defense that set a major league record for fielding percentage, but he's not the gold glove winner?

Um, ok.

Good call. And he's likely not going to win any award, since Ryan Braun will probably win the ROY. I'd vote for Tulowitzki, but that's just me.

I was a defensive kind of guy when I played ball, so seeing any guy like Ryan Braun have such an inability to play the field annoys me.

You must love Andruw Jones ...
 
One of my favorite players. As is Omar Vizquel.

It's not that I dislike offense or that I was an anemic hitter, it's just I'd rather watch a guy play good defense than hit a ball 400 feet. I'm all about watching good pitching and good defense. Plus, in baseball, defense isn't all that hard. Hitting takes a lot of talent and a lot of work. When you're as talented as most of those guys are, defense is all about work. That's what irks me when a guy like Braun makes 30+ errors in a season.

FWIW, I'm the same way with football. I love watching guys who are great defenders. A 17-13 football game is a beautiful thing, as is a 3-1 baseball game.
 
CollegeJournalist said:
I was a defensive kind of guy when I played ball, so seeing any guy like Ryan Braun have such an inability to play the field annoys me.

Yeah. OK. I get that. Braun is a butcher at third, there's no question about it.

But Braun was also probably the best hitter in the NL from the time he was called up in late May. To have 34HRs, 97 RBIs, .324 avg, .634 SLG after missing two months of the season, trumps by miles his deficiencies at third base.

Nothing against Tulowitzki, I love his game, but I think we're seeing too many trees for the forest here.

I doubt there's ever been a rookie who put numbers like Braun's who didn't get RoY, unless there was another rookie with similar numbers in the same season.
 
I guess they needed to tie someone in the OF and gave Aaron Rowand a goldie.
 
Did I read that correctly? David Wright won a ****ing Gold Glove??
 
I don't that much of a problem with Braun getting ROY over Tulo (although you could argue that the Rocks made the playoffs and the Brewers didn't because of superior defense).

I just think Tulo was better than Rollins this year, even though Rollins is good. Tulo deserved that GG. Rollins might be the MVP, but Tulo was better in the field.
 
Bubbler said:
CollegeJournalist said:
I was a defensive kind of guy when I played ball, so seeing any guy like Ryan Braun have such an inability to play the field annoys me.

Yeah. OK. I get that. Braun is a butcher at third, there's no question about it.

But Braun was also probably the best hitter in the NL from the time he was called up in late May. To have 34HRs, 97 RBIs, .324 avg, .634 SLG after missing two months of the season, trumps by miles his deficiencies at third base.

Nothing against Tulowitzki, I love his game, but I think we're seeing too many trees for the forest here.

I doubt there's ever been a rookie who put numbers like Braun's who didn't get RoY, unless there was another rookie with similar numbers in the same season.

There's nothing wrong if Braun wins it. He's deserving. It just annoys me that he doesn't play very good defense.
 
CollegeJournalist said:
Bubbler said:
CollegeJournalist said:
I was a defensive kind of guy when I played ball, so seeing any guy like Ryan Braun have such an inability to play the field annoys me.

Yeah. OK. I get that. Braun is a butcher at third, there's no question about it.

But Braun was also probably the best hitter in the NL from the time he was called up in late May. To have 34HRs, 97 RBIs, .324 avg, .634 SLG after missing two months of the season, trumps by miles his deficiencies at third base.

Nothing against Tulowitzki, I love his game, but I think we're seeing too many trees for the forest here.

I doubt there's ever been a rookie who put numbers like Braun's who didn't get RoY, unless there was another rookie with similar numbers in the same season.

There's nothing wrong if Braun wins it. He's deserving. It just annoys me that he doesn't play very good defense.

Not half as much as it annoys me.
 
Bubbler said:
Oz said:
BYH, I'm with you on the predictions, but I'm really, really, really hoping Tulowitzki beats out Braun for ROY. I liked watching that kid play.

Damn you Oz! Damn you to hell! :D

I know, I know. I love Braun, but Tulowitzki won me over during that streak to make the playoffs. But if Braun wins, it's not like he doesn't deserve it. There is no wrong answer so long as one of those guys wins it.
 

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