Running DC movie thread… After Gunn

[Scout]

So just saw Superman.

The movie is very good, but how they have developed the character of Superman is almost flawless. All the character traits were spot on. He’s not cracking jokes, but he’s human. He’s good, passionate, flawed, super… all the things.

You get a great fight scene a la Glenn Campbell and Rocket Raccoon in Guardians.

They did a great job with Lois and Jimmy and Perry Clark. I was not crazy about Ma Kent but they nailed John Kent.

Gunn just knows how to make a superhero movie.

And they, without question, can build off of Superman the way Marvel built off Captain America.

Great movie and rips the baton out of Marvel’s hand.

 

[outofplace]

Marvel built off Iron Man more than Captain America.

Let's see if DC can build off this. (I haven't seen it yet.) One good movie isn't enough.

 

[sgreenwell]

So just saw Superman.

The movie is very good, but how they have developed the character of Superman is almost flawless. All the character traits were spot on. He's not cracking jokes, but he's human. He's good, passionate, flawed, super… all the things.

You get a great fight scene a la Glenn Campbell and Rocket Raccoon in Guardians.

They did a great job with Lois and Jimmy and Perry Clark. I was not crazy about Ma Kent but they nailed John Kent.

Gunn just knows how to make a superhero movie.

And they, without question, can build off of Superman the way Marvel built off Captain America.

Great movie and rips the baton out of Marvel's hand.

This movie ****in' ripped. I barely know anything about the non-Batman DC universe, vs. Marvel, which I grew up with a bit between animated shows, comics and then movies. But I enjoyed the hell out of it, and judging from the commentary online, there's plenty of easter eggs to devour if you're a deeper fan.

 

[Starman]

I haven't seen the movie yet, so I can't comment on any specifics, but from spoiler reports Gunn has ****ed up the near-legendary origin story, maybe irreparably.

Apparently in an attempt to solve the historical dramatic tension in Superman stories focusing on the nature-vs-nurture issue: is Superman's heroic persona more the result of his biological/physical inheritance from his Kryptonian parents, along with whatever vestigial micro-memories he might have of his infancy, or through crystal hologram video messages or whatever, or the rock solid middle American common sense and basic human decency as personified and instilled in him by his adoptive parents, Gunn decides instead to make Jor-El and Lara megalomaniacal racial supremacists who beseech their son from beyond the grave to maintain and expand the mantle of Kryptonian genetic supremacy by force-impregnating as many human females as his powers will allow; and the Kents he depicts as quite simply the common clay of the old West ... you know, drawling, drooling slack-jawed morons who sit on stoops.

So somehow despite having biological parents who were galactic genetic supremacists and adoptive parents who seem to be the dumber cousins of Junior Samples, Clark Kent turns out to be an admirable kindly guy. That proves something, I guess.

 

[Starman]

PS: Krypto is not a shaggy dog.

 

[da man]

So just saw Superman.

The movie is very good, but how they have developed the character of Superman is almost flawless. All the character traits were spot on. He's not cracking jokes, but he's human. He's good, passionate, flawed, super… all the things.

You get a great fight scene a la Glenn Campbell and Rocket Raccoon in Guardians.

They did a great job with Lois and Jimmy and Perry Clark. I was not crazy about Ma Kent but they nailed John Kent.

Gunn just knows how to make a superhero movie.

And they, without question, can build off of Superman the way Marvel built off Captain America.

Great movie and rips the baton out of Marvel's hand.

Perry Clark used to coach Tulane basketball. I think you mean Perry White.

 

[Scout]

Perry Clark used to coach Tulane basketball. I think you mean Perry White.

Damnit.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

Perry Clark used to coach Tulane basketball. I think you mean Perry White.

Great Caesar’s Ghost!

 

[Scout]

PS: Krypto is not a shaggy dog.

And Perry White isn’t black. And Luthor isn’t this young. And Lois doesn’t wear pants. And…

 

[Della9250]

 

[Della9250]

 

[Starman]

Perry White being black has been worked out pretty thoroughly in

And Perry White isn't black. And Luthor isn't this young. And Lois doesn't wear pants. And…

1) PW being black has been pretty much successfully rolled out since Fishburne took him over in MOS, he has been black in serversl animated films and comics since then, in fact it actually took well enough there was some fan pushback when the recent "Superman and Lois" made him white again

2) Luthor being young, or an age contemporary of Clark Kent, has been pretty solid canon since the arrival of the silver age about 1960. It was only the stupid "Man of Steel" John Byrne reboot in the late 80s that returned him to his cliche 1950s version as a fat middle aged criminal businessman

3) Lois has been a go-get-em tomboy since day one.

However, never before have Jor-El and Lara been characterized as intergalactic eugenics warriors, sending their son out to power-breed his way to racial domination of his new planet, or the Kent's as feeble minded cud-chewing nitwits.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

2) Luthor being young, or an age contemporary of Clark Kent, has been pretty solid canon since the arrival of the silver age about 1960. It was only the stupid "Man of Steel" John Byrne reboot in the late 80s that returned him to his cliche 1950s version as a fat middle aged criminal businessman

And before that was a version of Lex Luthor that grew up in Smallville with Clark Kent, and whose attempt to find a way to make Superboy immune to kryptonite caused all his own hair to fall out.

 

[Starman]

Lex Luthor SHOULD be an intimidatingly intelligent -- chilling -- criminal genius. He should be as "super" intellectually as Kal-El is physically. That (partly) explains his burning personal resentment toward him.

From what reports I've seen of the current movie, it does look like they have gotten Luthor more right than any of the previous screen versions, particularly the cheesy cocktail lounge comedian Lex played by Gene Hackman (who didn't really appear to even dislike Superman very much, other than mild annoyance at having his nitwit real estate scams messed up) or the shrieking giggling Joker wannabe of Eisenberg.

 

[sgreenwell]

I haven't seen the movie yet, so I can't comment on any specifics, but from spoiler reports Gunn has ****ed up the near-legendary origin story, maybe irreparably.

Apparently in an attempt to solve the historical dramatic tension in Superman stories focusing on the nature-vs-nurture issue: is Superman's heroic persona more the result of his biological/physical inheritance from his Kryptonian parents, along with whatever vestigial micro-memories he might have of his infancy, or through crystal hologram video messages or whatever, or the rock solid middle American common sense and basic human decency as personified and instilled in him by his adoptive parents, Gunn decides instead to make Jor-El and Lara megalomaniacal racial supremacists who beseech their son from beyond the grave to maintain and expand the mantle of Kryptonian genetic supremacy by force-impregnating as many human females as his powers will allow; and the Kents he depicts as quite simply the common clay of the old West ... you know, drawling, drooling slack-jawed morons who sit on stoops.

So somehow despite having biological parents who were galactic genetic supremacists and adoptive parents who seem to be the dumber cousins of Junior Samples, Clark Kent turns out to be an admirable kindly guy. That proves something, I guess.

You should go see the movie.

Spoiler

There is a weird "glitch" fast forward effect at this point in the movie that suggests there will be a twist on this at some point, but it is not corrected by the end of this movie, yes. I suspect at some point, the middle portion of that tape will be revealed, and it's actually Zod that Superman's parents are talking about.

 

[Scout]

I think there is a powerful message here not to assume what people will act like. Each person is an individual who builds their own values on their own experiences.

Also, calling Superman an “alien” throughout the movie strikes a nerve in me that wasn’t exposed 45 years ago.

And multiple times in the movie, Superman explains himself by doing what’s right. I mean, it’s crazy to think that he loses a debate when his key point is “I didn’t want people to die.”

It really is a great movie.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

So, how do we ...

Spoiler: Superman: The Interview

… as journalists feel about the interview scene in Superman with Lois Lane (played well by Rachel Brosnahan) interviewing Superman? I felt like her point that Clark essentially interviewing himself was a conflict of interest was a good point, but I feel like Lois Lane then interviewing Superman without spelling out that the two of them were already in a relationship was a huge conflict of interest.

And Kal El got testy there — very testy. I’m curious how their relationship is going to work out.

 

[Starman]

So, how do we ...

Spoiler: Superman: The Interview

… as journalists feel about the interview scene in Superman with Lois Lane (played well by Rachel Brosnahan) interviewing Superman? I felt like her point that Clark essentially interviewing himself was a conflict of interest was a good point, but I feel like Lois Lane then interviewing Superman without spelling out that the two of them were already in a relationship was a huge conflict of interest.

And Kal El got testy there — very testy. I'm curious how their relationship is going to work out.

Again, I haven't seen the movie yet, but one thing I've noticed from trailer clips is that Clark Kent seems to get pretty worked up, pretty fast, when Lois Lane suggests issues of journalistic ethics may be in play.

I mean, Clark Kent is supposed to be a professional journalist, too; he's supposed to have graduated from college and all that, depending on the version of canon, he's supposed to have some substantial experience too; you'd think he wouldn't be provoked into shouting by Lois Lane even mentioning these issues.

 

[Oggiedoggie]

After “Man of Steel,” I vowed to never watch another Superman movie. But now I might reconsider… if they make one only about the dog.

 

[BurnsWhenIPee]

Not a die-hard Superman or superhero movie guy, so my opinion may not have an ounce of validity. And I'm sure I missed a million easter eggs that would have made it more enjoyable for me.

But ... I wasn't a huge fan of the Justice League being in this movie. Loved Superman, Lois Lane and the dog. The entire movie seemed a pleasant-enough experience. The 3D was cool - it was there but not obscene or over-the-top.