Parenting

[WaylonJennings]

As Mrs. Jennings and I are about to become parents for the first time, I found this article in NY Times magazine this weekend particularly interesting:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/magazine/31wwln-lede-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine

It's short - a column, really. But it heralds the coming end to "helicopter parenting" and perhaps a move of the pendulum back to the days when kids rode their bikes all over town, didn't have to conform to an organized schedule, etc., etc.

My wife and I have talked about these things a lot, which hopefully will give us a leg up on my own parents, who did the best they could but clearly never really discussed parenting philosophies before I came along. My upbringing was one mixed message after another, with my dad parenting out of the 1940s spare-the-rod style and my mom being somewhat more nurturing (though equally screwing me up in the long-term

Essentially, we feel that we want a core of our parenting philosophy to be setting a good example for our children. That means in our own relationship - affectionate, no fighting in front of the kids, etc. - but also in our careers and outside interests and such.

I definitely don't want to be one of those parents that carts their kid from town to town for a travel softball team - for the kid's sake as much as mine. I just don't believe in it. On the other hand, the most well-adjusted girls I ever meet are the ones who excel at individual high school sports like cross country and tennis. So I'm afraid to completely ignore the development of confidence-boosting activities like those (or playing an instrument or whatever other passion my child my stumble into).

I don't want to hover. At the same time, I want us to be a close family, and I want our child(ren) to have every opportunity available.

Thoughts? Experiences?

 

[waterytart]

Waylon, with all respect, you're getting way ahead of yourself. For the next six months, if you want to influence your baby by modeling good behavior (an excellent choice, by the way), you might focus on bathing. But if you have enough time to undress, shower and re-dress, what you'll want to do is sleep. What you'll need to do is laundry.

(You'll be fine. But worrying now about what sport an unborn child will play sort of is hovering. In the most loving and natural way. )

 

[21]

If you had only described this piece, without mentioning where you saw it, I would have said, 'classic NYT.' Goes in the file labelled 'Relatively Affluent People Whose Lives We Don't Really Relate to, So We'll Show Them as One Dimensional Trite Cliches and Do a Story for Our Really Enlightened Readers.'

Note to the writer: I bet they didn't have 'parenting blogs' before the 20th century either.

I defer to everything in Watery's really great post, but just want to add, if your kid really really wants to play travel soccer, just get in the car and drive. 8)

 

[WaylonJennings]

If you had only described this piece, without mentioning where you saw it, I would have said, 'classic NYT.' Goes in the file labelled 'Relatively Affluent People Whose Lives We Don't Really Relate to, So We'll Show Them as One Dimensional Trite Cliches and Do a Story for Our Really Enlightened Readers.'

Note to the writer: I bet they didn't have 'parenting blogs' before the 20th century either.

I defer to everything in Watery's really great post, but just want to add, if your kid really really wants to play travel soccer, just get in the car and drive. 8)

OK, maybe I'll let him/her play travel soccer. But no way in hell would I be caught dead in some warm-up jacket with the logo for the "Indiana Smashers" or something along those lines No "gear" for dad. I have my dignity! And, of course, no minivan.

 

[playthrough]

I'm working like hell to raise my kid without ever reading or writing a parenting blog. It'll be four years in August!

The "parental minivan: waving the white flag on life" thread was interesting a couple months ago. I confess, I want one. Wife doesn't.

 

[Moderator1]

You have no minivan.
Yet.

 

[RickStain]

I'm a pretty big fan of the so-called "free-range kids" movement (other than the stupid name and the overreaching sense of nostalgia) described in the article.

We'll see if I can actually go through with it when Little Stain comes in August.

 

[WaylonJennings]

You have no minivan.
Yet.

I'm going to go old-school. Station wagon.

 

[JR]

As the father of two kids who attend a university where entitled kids are the rule rather than the exception, I can tell you that the parents described in the column are not one dimensional trite cliches. Many of the ones I've met are just plain one-dimensional.

And Waylon, I wouldn't worry too much about travel teams and sports. It may turn out that your kid has no interest in any of that and may be quite happy sitting in his/her room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument.

 

[JackReacher]

And Waylon, I wouldn't worry too much about travel teams and sports. It may turn out that your kid has no interest in any of that and may be quite happy sitting in his/her room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument.

Reason No. 3,298 I'll never have kids. No chance I would let my kids sit in their room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument when they could be outside playing.

 

[WaylonJennings]

And Waylon, I wouldn't worry too much about travel teams and sports. It may turn out that your kid has no interest in any of that and may be quite happy sitting in his/her room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument.

Reason No. 3,298 I'll never have kids. No chance I would let my kids sit in their room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument when they could be outside playing.

This is one thing I've liked about living in predominantly black neighborhoods - the kids are always out playing, much more than in affluent white neighborhoods. It must be a cultural and/or socioeconomic thing.

 

[RickStain]

And Waylon, I wouldn't worry too much about travel teams and sports. It may turn out that your kid has no interest in any of that and may be quite happy sitting in his/her room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument.

Reason No. 3,298 I'll never have kids. No chance I would let my kids sit in their room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument when they could be outside playing.

I'm glad you weren't my dad.

 

[JR]

And Waylon, I wouldn't worry too much about travel teams and sports. It may turn out that your kid has no interest in any of that and may be quite happy sitting in his/her room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument.

Reason No. 3,298 I'll never have kids. No chance I would let my kids sit in their room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument when they could be outside playing.

Yes, because all those activities are completely worthless.

If that's one of your reasons for not having children, please don't.

 

[Lugnuts]

If you had only described this piece, without mentioning where you saw it, I would have said, 'classic NYT.' Goes in the file labelled 'Relatively Affluent People Whose Lives We Don't Really Relate to, So We'll Show Them as One Dimensional Trite Cliches and Do a Story for Our Really Enlightened Readers.'

Note to the writer: I bet they didn't have 'parenting blogs' before the 20th century either.

I defer to everything in Watery's really great post, but just want to add, if your kid really really wants to play travel soccer, just get in the car and drive. 8)

What she said.

 

[Dyno]

And Waylon, I wouldn't worry too much about travel teams and sports. It may turn out that your kid has no interest in any of that and may be quite happy sitting in his/her room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument.

Reason No. 3,298 I'll never have kids. No chance I would let my kids sit in their room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument when they could be outside playing.

What's wrong with reading, painting or learning a musical instrument?

 

[21]

If you had only described this piece, without mentioning where you saw it, I would have said, 'classic NYT.' Goes in the file labelled 'Relatively Affluent People Whose Lives We Don't Really Relate to, So We'll Show Them as One Dimensional Trite Cliches and Do a Story for Our Really Enlightened Readers.'

Note to the writer: I bet they didn't have 'parenting blogs' before the 20th century either.

I defer to everything in Watery's really great post, but just want to add, if your kid really really wants to play travel soccer, just get in the car and drive. 8)

What she said.

Saw this thread and thought, 'well, if this doesn't bring Lugz back, nothing will.' Miss you around here.

 

[waterytart]

If you had only described this piece, without mentioning where you saw it, I would have said, 'classic NYT.' Goes in the file labelled 'Relatively Affluent People Whose Lives We Don't Really Relate to, So We'll Show Them as One Dimensional Trite Cliches and Do a Story for Our Really Enlightened Readers.'

Note to the writer: I bet they didn't have 'parenting blogs' before the 20th century either.

I defer to everything in Watery's really great post, but just want to add, if your kid really really wants to play travel soccer, just get in the car and drive. 8)

What she said.

Saw this thread and thought, 'well, if this doesn't bring Lugz back, nothing will.' Miss you around here.

What 21 said.

 

[playthrough]

And Waylon, I wouldn't worry too much about travel teams and sports. It may turn out that your kid has no interest in any of that and may be quite happy sitting in his/her room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument.

Reason No. 3,298 I'll never have kids. No chance I would let my kids sit in their room reading, painting or learning a musical instrument when they could be outside playing.

And when it's raining, dammit, the cash-eating little ****s will just be wet.

 

[JR]

Of course, reading, etc and playing outside aren't mutually exclusive. Kids can actually do both without their parent's involvement.

A friend of mine once sarcastically said, "The difference in parenting between us and our parents is simple: our parents ignored us".

 

[waterytart]

Am I the only one who read Mr. Sonner's comment with an implied blue font?