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[TyWebb]

Look what the cat drug in over at Playbook: http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/trending/post/_/id/4778/sasquatch-summitt-tebow-head-espys

In his intro sentence to the Pat Summitt piece, he mangled her actual quote from her speech, the one thing he was supposed to take verbatim from somebody else.

Dunno, just kinda made me chuckle.

 

[old_tony]

I don't know Lynn Hoppes, so I'm not defending him. But I do have to ask: How do we know that the stuff was at Wiki-pedia first and then in Hoppes' writing and not the other way around? Wiki-pedia is not known for its original information, either.

Could Hoppes have written the entries and then someone lifted them from his copy to Wiki?

Just askin'.

 

[JackS]

I don't know Lynn Hoppes, so I'm not defending him. But I do have to ask: How do we know that the stuff was at Wiki-pedia first and then in Hoppes' writing and not the other way around? Wiki-pedia is not known for its original information, either.

Could Hoppes have written the entries and then someone lifted them from his copy to Wiki?

Just askin'.

There is a way you can check Wikipedia to see when edits were made to entries, and thereby could check if the passages in question preceded the Hoppes posts.

I have no motivation to do that, but if you do, go for it.

 

[Stitch]

The Tyson info has been the same on Wikipedia since August 2010.

 

[old_tony]

I don't know Lynn Hoppes, so I'm not defending him. But I do have to ask: How do we know that the stuff was at Wiki-pedia first and then in Hoppes' writing and not the other way around? Wiki-pedia is not known for its original information, either.

Could Hoppes have written the entries and then someone lifted them from his copy to Wiki?

Just askin'.

There is a way you can check Wikipedia to see when edits were made to entries, and thereby could check if the passages in question preceded the Hoppes posts.

I have no motivation to do that, but if you do, go for it.

I have no such motivation, either. But I would suspect Hoppes would if it were to exonerate him. If he doesn't have the motivation, there's your answer in the other direction.

 

[mediaguy]

Yes, someone is religiously reading Hoppes stories and, as a public service, updating Wikipedia with basic information gleaned from them. Forgive me if I stop short of cross-checking the edit dates of "Damn Yankees," Tom Chambers and Pam Anderson to shoot this possibility down.

 

[Small Town Guy]

In the comments on the Deadspin piece, the writer did say he checked the times on the Wikipedia entries just to make sure it wasn't like that and they were all updated before Hoppes' pieces appeared.

 

[old_tony]

Like I said, I wasn't trying to defend Hoppes. I didn't know.

So what it looks like to me is serial plagiarism. How he survives that I have no idea. Then again, I used to work for a guy who was bulletproof and kept stumbling up.

 

[Inky_Wretch]

Has ESPN issued any kind of statement or is this just being collectively ignored?

I'm sure the ombudsman will weigh in any second now.

 

[ringer]

This is an inevitable consequence.

@ringer:
Depends on the demands. None of this would have been acceptable in the Age of Newspaper and it stinks now, but let's not pretend that there's no correlation between journalists cutting corners and unreasonable demands being made of today's journalists. This is an inevitable consequence.

Inevitable? I disagree completely. That's a cop out. It's like condoning cheating because, well, I just didn't have time to study.

 

[Tucsondriver]

This is an inevitable consequence.

@ringer:
Depends on the demands. None of this would have been acceptable in the Age of Newspaper and it stinks now, but let's not pretend that there's no correlation between journalists cutting corners and unreasonable demands being made of today's journalists. This is an inevitable consequence.

Inevitable? I disagree completely. That's a cop out. It's like condoning cheating because, well, I just didn't have time to study.

Who said I'm condoning plagiarism? What I said was that the demands dictate the behavior. I don't claim to know the specifics of Hoppes' working situation, just not willing to completely dismiss it as a possible factor in why a veteran journalist who ESPN thought was good enough to put in a management role and APSE thought was good enough to make their president went out and lifted copy from Wikipedia or hired Sarah Phillips.

 

[BTExpress]

Depends on the demands. None of this would have been acceptable in the Age of Newspaper and it stinks now, but let's not pretend that there's no correlation between journalists cutting corners and unreasonable demands being made of today's journalists.

Unreasonable demands? So they have to blog and do video sometimes. Their jobs are also easier in so many ways.

If a Washington Post reporter in 1972 wanted to see if McGovern's views on Vietnam changed any from 1968 to 1972, how would he go about finding the quotes he needed? Today, a couple of Google clicks may get you what you need. And chances are you can find the speeches on video to make sure the candidate is quoted accurately.

Editor wants to move that fourth paragraph into the second paragraph and uses his red pen to mark several other changes? Which is quicker, having the reporter retype the story, or a simple cut and paste?

Lazy is lazy.

 

[Tucsondriver]

Lazy is not making the extra phone call to get another point of view in your story. Plagiarism is an egregious act that damages the credibility of the reporter and their publication. It used to have serious ramifications, but these days it seems to be treated like maybe barely worse than misspelling a cross country runner in your agate. If nobody cares about a NYT columnist copying and pasting the thoughts of someone else, do we really expect anyone to care if Wikipedia items that easily could have been paraphrased are copy and pasted in blog posts?

 

[YGBFKM]

Caring is too much work.

 

[pseudo]

Has ESPN issued any kind of statement or is this just being collectively ignored?

I'm sure the ombudsman will weigh in any second now.

/checking watch/

 

[Inky_Wretch]

Has ESPN issued any kind of statement or is this just being collectively ignored?

I'm sure the ombudsman will weigh in any second now.

/checking watch/

Any second now. I'm just sure of it.

 

[waterytart]

... But when you're in a business where maniacal quantity is demanded you cut corners...

No you don't. You learn to manage your time better.

Publishers post here?

 

[Ben_Hecht]

... But when you're in a business where maniacal quantity is demanded you cut corners...

No you don't. You learn to manage your time better.

Publishers post here?

Just another Scarlett O'Hara, looking to whip the mule, one more time.

 

[Tom Petty]

Lazy is not making the extra phone call to get another point of view in your story. Plagiarism is an egregious act that damages the credibility of the reporter and their publication. It used to have serious ramifications, but these days it seems to be treated like maybe barely worse than misspelling a cross country runner in your agate. If nobody cares about a NYT columnist copying and pasting the thoughts of someone else, do we really expect anyone to care if Wikipedia items that easily could have been paraphrased are copy and pasted in blog posts?

obviously you don't care if the person you sleep with ****s themselves every night, do you?

 

[Riptide]

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