One reason I'll remain a lapsed Catholic

[dooley_womack1]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070502/ap_on_re_us/mccaskill_daughter_s_commencement

Students at all-girls Catholic high school in St. Louis want Sen. McCaskill (daughter is in graduating class) to speak at commencement. Archdiocese nixes it because McCaskill supports abortion rights and iis n favor of stem-cell research.

Way to teach college-bound students intellectual honesty and inquiry. And I 100 percent doubt that McCaskill would have said anything other than the platitudes that are standard at these things.

 

[Oz]

Well, I can't say this was real high up on my list of reasons ... but yeah.

What he said.

 

[finishthehat]

Plus, as Marge Simpson says: "All of that standing, sitting and kneeling...It's like Simon Says without a winner!"

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Way to teach college-bound students intellectual honesty and inquiry.

How are they being intellectually dishonest?

 

[slappy4428]

You have an opposing viewpoint to our doctrine. Therefore, you bad.
You raised one of our students. Thanks for the tuition money, but we don't want your philosophy around here.

 

[JackS]

Way to teach college-bound students intellectual honesty and inquiry.

How are they being intellectually dishonest?

Yeah, really. If a Catholic doesn't want to remain a Catholic (or go to a Catholic school) anymore because of an opposing view, fine. But a religion is under no obligation to compromise its moral beliefs.

I'm tired of people who ***** about or try to change the beliefs of an already established religion. If you don't like them, then find another religion (or school).

 

[zeke12]

Way to teach college-bound students intellectual honesty and inquiry.

How are they being intellectually dishonest?

Yeah, really. If a Catholic doesn't want to remain a Catholic (or go to a Catholic school) anymore because of an opposing view, fine. But a religion is under no obligation to compromise its moral beliefs.

I'm tired of people who ***** about or try to change the beliefs of an already established religion. If you don't like them, then find another religion (or school).

That's total bull**** and you know it.

A person's private religious beliefs and policy ideas do not march in lockstep.

Unless you're suggesting that Mitt Romney HAS to run on a prohibition platform.

 

[JackS]

Way to teach college-bound students intellectual honesty and inquiry.

How are they being intellectually dishonest?

Yeah, really. If a Catholic doesn't want to remain a Catholic (or go to a Catholic school) anymore because of an opposing view, fine. But a religion is under no obligation to compromise its moral beliefs.

I'm tired of people who ***** about or try to change the beliefs of an already established religion. If you don't like them, then find another religion (or school).

That's total bull**** and you know it.

A person's private religious beliefs and policy ideas do not march in lockstep.

Unless you're suggesting that Mitt Romney HAS to run on a prohibition platform.

He doesn't, but if the Church of LDS doesn't want to endorse him because he doesn't push prohibition, then that's their prerogative.

Ever heard the term "Cafeteria Catholic"? It's pejorative.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Boy guy and jack, a doctor taps your knee, it's liable to launch up into your jaw. If you think a school banning a viewpoint isn't being antithetical to what a school should be, then there's no common language with which to discuss this. And let's take this for what it is: The very powerful, conservative St. Louis archdiocese was dealt a political defeat in the stem-cell ballot initiative, and McCaskill won the Senate seat largely over the issue. The archdiocese, using a girl as a pawn, essentially said, "payback. This time, it's for real."

 

[zeke12]

Way to teach college-bound students intellectual honesty and inquiry.

How are they being intellectually dishonest?

Yeah, really. If a Catholic doesn't want to remain a Catholic (or go to a Catholic school) anymore because of an opposing view, fine. But a religion is under no obligation to compromise its moral beliefs.

I'm tired of people who ***** about or try to change the beliefs of an already established religion. If you don't like them, then find another religion (or school).

That's total bull**** and you know it.

A person's private religious beliefs and policy ideas do not march in lockstep.

Unless you're suggesting that Mitt Romney HAS to run on a prohibition platform.

He doesn't, but if the Church of LDS doesn't want to endorse him because he doesn't push prohibition, then that's their prerogative.

Ever heard the term "Cafeteria Catholic"? It's pejorative.

Ever heard the term douchebag? It falls under the same category, and describes people who use the latter.

I have news. 99 percent of American Catholics don't follow every last bit of dogma from Rome.

It's called having a brain.

 

[JackS]

Boy guy and jack, a doctor taps your knee, it's liable to launch up into your jaw. If you think a school banning a viewpoint isn't being antithetical to what a school should be, then there's no common language with which to discuss this. And let's take this for what it is: The very powerful, conservative St. Louis archdiocese was dealt a political defeat in the stem-cell ballot initiative, and McCaskill won the Senate seat largely over the issue. The archdiocese, using a girl as a pawn, essentially said, "payback. This time, it's for real."

It's not a PUBLIC school. They can teach whatever they want, whether you like it or not.

 

[dooley_womack1]

I just hope the Jesuits are above the bullying crap. I didn't say they couldn't send whatever message they want. I'm just saying it's against the principle of liberal education (and you damn well know I don't mean in a political sense), and against the principle of an allegedly loving church

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Boy guy and jack, a doctor taps your knee, it's liable to launch up into your jaw. If you think a school banning a viewpoint isn't being antithetical to what a school should be, then there's no common language with which to discuss this. And let's take this for what it is: The very powerful, conservative St. Louis archdiocese was dealt a political defeat in the stem-cell ballot initiative, and McCaskill won the Senate seat largely over the issue. The archdiocese, using a girl as a pawn, essentially said, "payback. This time, it's for real."

You accused them of stifling intellectual honesty & inquiry. I understood the latter, & asked for you to explain the former.

 

[slappy4428]

Boy guy and jack, a doctor taps your knee, it's liable to launch up into your jaw. If you think a school banning a viewpoint isn't being antithetical to what a school should be, then there's no common language with which to discuss this. And let's take this for what it is: The very powerful, conservative St. Louis archdiocese was dealt a political defeat in the stem-cell ballot initiative, and McCaskill won the Senate seat largely over the issue. The archdiocese, using a girl as a pawn, essentially said, "payback. This time, it's for real."

But be sure to send a check for our annual fundraising drive, won't you?

 

[slappy4428]

Way to teach college-bound students intellectual honesty and inquiry.

How are they being intellectually dishonest?

Yeah, really. If a Catholic doesn't want to remain a Catholic (or go to a Catholic school) anymore because of an opposing view, fine. But a religion is under no obligation to compromise its moral beliefs.

I'm tired of people who ***** about or try to change the beliefs of an already established religion. If you don't like them, then find another religion (or school).

Like yer Masses in Latin, do ya Jack?

 

[JackS]

Way to teach college-bound students intellectual honesty and inquiry.

How are they being intellectually dishonest?

Yeah, really. If a Catholic doesn't want to remain a Catholic (or go to a Catholic school) anymore because of an opposing view, fine. But a religion is under no obligation to compromise its moral beliefs.

I'm tired of people who ***** about or try to change the beliefs of an already established religion. If you don't like them, then find another religion (or school).

Like yer Masses in Latin, do ya Jack?

First of all, I'm not Catholic, and secondly, the language of a service is not a "moral belief."

 

[Ace]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070502/ap_on_re_us/mccaskill_daughter_s_commencement

Students at all-girls Catholic high school in St. Louis want Sen. McCaskill (daughter is in graduating class) to speak at commencement. Archdiocese nixes it because McCaskill supports abortion rights and iis n favor of stem-cell research.

Way to teach college-bound students intellectual honesty and inquiry. And I 100 percent doubt that McCaskill would have said anything other than the platitudes that are standard at these things.

I agree with this, actually, dooley. I think if it is a Catholic school, it has the right to insist that its speakers toe the line with Catholic dogma.

It pays to be the Pope.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Guy, I'm not playing an Aristotilian reindeer game with you. You have a take? Give it.

And the church is a long way from the days when it was near the front of the civil rights/social justice movement, and prided itself on being inclusive. That was the church of my youth. The church of today has botched things to the point that it knows it's going to get bubkes in priests from Europe and the U.S. So it's appealing to its much more religiously conservative growth market, Latin America, and making a push in Africa. Somehow, I think someone will try to twist the Africa thing into "inclusiveness," but it's a case of trying to include more people in a churce that is excluding a lot.

And in all fairness, Junkie, you have to truly not want to do the action again for a confession to be a true sacrament. Otherwise, it is a sham.

And again, Ace, it's not a matter of "can". It's a matter of "should."

 

[zeke12]

Way to teach college-bound students intellectual honesty and inquiry.

How are they being intellectually dishonest?

Yeah, really. If a Catholic doesn't want to remain a Catholic (or go to a Catholic school) anymore because of an opposing view, fine. But a religion is under no obligation to compromise its moral beliefs.

I'm tired of people who ***** about or try to change the beliefs of an already established religion. If you don't like them, then find another religion (or school).

Like yer Masses in Latin, do ya Jack?

First of all, I'm not Catholic, and secondly, the language of a service is not a "moral belief."

The Catholic Church once supported slavery, too.

Were Catholics in those times duty bound to follow the political dogma of the church, or were they allowed to change the institution from the inside out?

See what roads ****ty logic leads you down?

 

[pallister]

Keep not going to church. That'll show 'em.