Ohio State football gets one-year bowl ban; Tressel hit with 5-year "show cause"

[Steak Snabler]

Considered digging up one of the 50 old threads, but figured I'd start a new one.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7371843/ncaa-announce-ohio-state-buckeyes-decision-tuesday

Any guesses what they'll get?

 

[micropolitan guy]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

No Rose Bowl this year. The NCAA is realy cracking down.

Seriously, if they don't get mazjor sanctions, a la SC, there is no justice.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

They did fire their coach and suspend players, though, thereby ruining the 2011 season, and the NCAA do like its acts of contrition. I don't think they'll get anything near what USC got by remaining defiant to the end.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

No Rose Bowl this year. The NCAA is realy cracking down.

Seriously, if they don't get mazjor sanctions, a la SC, there is no justice.

What Ohio State did is nothing even close to what USC did.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

They'll get Urban Meyer.

 

[rmanfredi]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

They did fire their coach and suspend players, though, thereby ruining the 2011 season, and the NCAA do like its acts of contrition. I don't think they'll get anything near what USC got by remaining defiant to the end.

Agreed. The NCAA brought the hammer down on USC because they set up obstacles every step of the way during the investigation and didn't show the proper contrition. They were punished for the hubris and ego of Mike Garrett, Pete Carroll, Reggie Bush and others. Ohio State has played the role of the eight-year-old who was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and feels really bad about it. The hand slapping they receive will be similar to that kid.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

Book, book, book!

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

The NCAA had Reggie Bush on tape admitting he took hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Auburn deserves USC-level sanctions. Ohio State deserves a slap on the wrist given the self-imposed sanctions/suspensions that it already handed down itself.

 

[poindexter]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

****, remember the penalties that affected last season's Sugar Bowl?

 

[rmanfredi]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

Any chance they slap some sort of one to two year "show-cause" penalty on the Sweater Vest to make an "example" out of him without really hurting the school? (Moved to the right thread.)

 

[micropolitan guy]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

The NCAA brought the hammer down on USC because they set up obstacles every step of the way during the investigation and didn't show the proper contrition.

So, Tressell withholding information from the NCAA is cooperating? Contrition is suspending players, several of whom were not planning to return, and letting ineligible players compete in a BCS bowl?
What bowls will OSU miss for a pattern of widespread cheating?

Sorry, but any punishment without a postseason ban is insufficient.

 

[NoOneLikesUs]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

If there is a postseason ban, it should start with the Gator Bowl.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

The NCAA brought the hammer down on USC because they set up obstacles every step of the way during the investigation and didn't show the proper contrition.

So, Tressell withholding information from the NCAA is cooperating? Contrition is suspending players, several of whom were not planning to return, and letting ineligible players compete in a BCS bowl?
What bowls will OSU miss for a pattern of widespread cheating?

Sorry, but any punishment without a postseason ban is insufficient.

I was responding to your belief that Ohio State needs to get what USC got. That involved a hell of a lot more than "a postseason ban." It involved a two-year ban and a loss of scholarships that will be ruinous. There's a whole lot of room to punish tOSU without approaching the penalties USC faced.

Ohio State also fired Tressel. USC rode the ship all the way down with Mike Garrett, Pete Carroll and then one of his assistants as his successor, etc. Didn't shut down access, didn't admit fault, nothing. That makes a big difference.

The Sugar Bowl decision was bull****, but it is what it is, as the kids say.

 

[rmanfredi]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

The NCAA brought the hammer down on USC because they set up obstacles every step of the way during the investigation and didn't show the proper contrition.

So, Tressell withholding information from the NCAA is cooperating? Contrition is suspending players, several of whom were not planning to return, and letting ineligible players compete in a BCS bowl?
What bowls will OSU miss for a pattern of widespread cheating?

Sorry, but any punishment without a postseason ban is insufficient.

I'm talking about cooperation at the point of the NCAA investigation on, not in terms of the initial infraction (whether that's turning a blind eye to agents' relationships with players or players receiving free tattoos). After firing Sweater Vest, Ohio State self-imposed sanctions (not strong enough but some) and has fully cooperated with the NCAA by any account I've seen. USC stonewalled and basically flipped the double middle finger at the NCAA and dared them to do something.

I'm a USC alum, but the school managed the investigation and fallout about as poorly as humanly possible, while Ohio State has said and done enough of the things that the NCAA wants to see to prove that they have been "humbled." That's why I mentioned the show-cause - it's a way for the NCAA to come down on the person associated with the initial, major infraction while sparing Ohio State the rod.

 

[micropolitan guy]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

I do not expect them to get the exact same penalties as SC. But any sanctions without at least a one-year postseason ban, and the loss of at least one or two scholarships, are essentially meaningless. It's all well and good to punish Tressel with a show-cause order, but there is no question the program benefitted as well, ie being able to play in a BCS game in 2011 despite having used athletes it knew had received impermissible extra benefits for the entire season.

And yes, Garrett and Carroll were stonewalling dicks throughout the NCAA investigation. But then again, there's a reason it's been called the University of Spoiled Children for decades. Garrett was/is an arrogant jerk who thinks he's better than everyone and the rules don't apply to him, and Carroll just didn't care because he knew the NFL was in his future.

 

[Layman]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

I do not expect them to get the exact same penalties as SC. But any sanctions without at least a one-year postseason ban, and the loss of at least one or two scholarships, are essentially meaningless. It's all well and good to punish Tressel with a show-cause order, but there is no question the program benefitted as well, ie being able to play in a BCS game in 2011 despite having used athletes it knew had received impermissible extra benefits for the entire season.

And yes, Garrett and Carroll were stonewalling dicks throughout the NCAA investigation. But then again, there's a reason it's been called the University of Spoiled Children for decades. Garrett was/is an arrogant jerk who thinks he's better than everyone and the rules don't apply to him, and Carroll just didn't care because he knew the NFL was in his future.

They've already self-imposed 5 schollies, so they'll get at least that. Wouldn't be shocking for the NCAA to add more to that, although the B1G doesn't do a lot of over singing, so it wouldn't be that big a hit. They've also vacated last season (including the bowl), given back the Sugar Bowl money, jettisoned their greatest coach in a generation, lost a (what would have been) 4 year starter at QB & gutted what would have been a (potentially) championship level team this year (with suspensions)

The interesting thing to watch, is the possible post season ban. By not self imposing that...particularly at the tail end of a crappy 6-6 season...is basically Gene Smith putting all his chips on the table, as to his future at tOSU.

You can count on a show-cause for Tressel, probably in the 3-5 year range. Ohio State's strategy since the start, was to lay this all at Tressel's feet. We'll see how that works out.

USC had no one but themselves to blame, for their situation. Their case stretched out over (I believe) 5 years. Today is within a day of the one year anniversary of tat-gate blowing up.

 

[Beaker]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

Joe Schad was just on ESPN, according to him there will be a one year bowl ban.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

Joe Schad was just on ESPN, according to him there will be a one year bowl ban.

That would be hilarious if the Buckeyes said, "Let's do that Bowl ban now." and skipped the battle of big name teams with .500 records.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

Is Meyer's contract public yet? I wonder if he gets a bonus for every year of a bowl ban or other sanctions.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Re: Ohio State football sanctions to be announced at 3 p.m. EST

Is Meyer's contract public yet? I wonder if he gets a bonus for every year of a bowl ban or other sanctions.

I'd bet just about anything he does. Kiffin sure as hell did.