NYPD Twarts Al Qaeda Bomb Plot

[Boom_70]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/21/nyregion/jose-pimentel-is-charged-in-new-york-city-bomb-plot.html?_r=1&hp

 

[deskslave]

Twarts?

Also, I have a hard time believing most of these so-called plots any more. This is hardly an al-Qaeda plot. This is a guy who watched some videos and decided to start trying to make pipe bombs. He has no contacts with anything even resembling an al-Qaeda terrorists. I won't be surprised to see that this is a "plot" hatched and encouraged by an undercover cop.

 

[YankeeFan]

Well, I wouldn't have set the over/under at one post, but that response was predictable.

 

[Boom_70]

Twarts?

Also, I have a hard time believing most of these so-called plots any more. This is hardly an al-Qaeda plot. This is a guy who watched some videos and decided to start trying to make pipe bombs. He has no contacts with anything even resembling an al-Qaeda terrorists. I won't be surprised to see that this is a "plot" hatched and encouraged by an undercover cop.

And we have a winner. Really put this up as a contest to see who first poster would be to discount the plot.

I tend to agree. Seems flimsy. My thought is that this is about police/ mayor taking control of news to offset their poor performance in OWS events.

 

[YankeeFan]

And, btw, wasn't that the point of Anwar al-Awlaki's propaganda?

You don't need to "have contacts" with al-Qaeda in order to carry out your own personal Jihad.

Major Hasan, traded a couple of emails with al-Awlaki, but you could hardly call him an al-Qaeda member. Doesn't change the fact that he killed 13 people and wounded 32 more.

Pimentel/Muhammad Yusuf was a reader of Inspire. the glossy English language internet magazine put out by al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. (It's publisher was killed in the same drone attack that killed Al-Awlaki.) Inspire gave instructions on how to build bombs.

And, since all the materials for building a pipe bomb can be picked up at Home Depot and other local stores, I don't think we should discount this type of threat.

The guy had all of the materials. He had identified targets, and he was in final assembly.

 

[YankeeFan]

Sounds like a nice guy:

Pimentel’s wife left him after he began beating her because she refused to convert to Islam and he would force their child to watch jihadist videos, sources said.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mother_that_alleged_harlem_bomb_nimUkN5Qr5f6XrMajTakEK#ixzz1eLrpDQFp

 

[Boom_70]

Sounds like a nice guy:

Pimentel’s wife left him after he began beating her because she refused to convert to Islam and he would force their child to watch jihadist videos, sources said.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mother_that_alleged_harlem_bomb_nimUkN5Qr5f6XrMajTakEK#ixzz1eLrpDQFp

Likely that the ex dropped a dime on him.

 

[cranberry]

He was associated with al-Qaeda? Or was he just a deranged guy who got caught up in the jihad talk and decided to begin plotting homemade bomb attacks?

 

[deskslave]

Not saying the guy wasn't a bad dude. Just saying that there's a long way between "bad dude" and "hold a breathless press conference to announce that you're winning the war on terror."

That's what this is about: Ensuring that the NYPD continues to be funded like some sort of paramilitary operation. If that means treating some yahoo who was probably more likely to blow his own nuts off than as much as take the flag off a single mailbox like the second coming of Osama, so be it.

 

[YankeeFan]

He was associated with al-Qaeda? Or was he just a deranged guy who got caught up in the jihad talk and decided to begin plotting homemade bomb attacks?

Inspired by Al-Qaeda. Is that not good enough?

Not saying the guy wasn't a bad dude. Just saying that there's a long way between "bad dude" and "hold a breathless press conference to announce that you're winning the war on terror."

That's what this is about: Ensuring that the NYPD continues to be funded like some sort of paramilitary operation. If that means treating some yahoo who was probably more likely to blow his own nuts off than as much as take the flag off a single mailbox like the second coming of Osama, so be it.

Who cares if he's not the second coming of bin Laden?

It really doesn't take that much skill to blow **** (and people) up. Should we only arrest people once they've succeeded?

And, yeah, Mayors/Police Commissioners/DA like to hold press conferences when they make arrests like this. It's good for business, and it keeps the public aware of what's going on.

You need the public's assistance in identifying guys like this.

Though, this guy didn't appear very shy about his beliefs. He had his own website, and had apparently been under surveillance since 2009.

 

[Azrael]

Lone nut.

 

[deskslave]

If he was under surveillance since 2009, then he has not been a threat since 2009. This is manufactured theater. Nothing more.

 

[cranberry]

If he was under surveillance since 2009, then he has not been a threat since 2009. This is manufactured theater. Nothing more.

This seems to be more about making Ray Kelly appear important at a news conference than some actual public threat.

 

[JakeandElwood]

Twarts?

Also, I have a hard time believing most of these so-called plots any more. This is hardly an al-Qaeda plot. This is a guy who watched some videos and decided to start trying to make pipe bombs. He has no contacts with anything even resembling an al-Qaeda terrorists. I won't be surprised to see that this is a "plot" hatched and encouraged by an undercover cop.

Is there any evidence of that?

 

[deskslave]

Twarts?

Also, I have a hard time believing most of these so-called plots any more. This is hardly an al-Qaeda plot. This is a guy who watched some videos and decided to start trying to make pipe bombs. He has no contacts with anything even resembling an al-Qaeda terrorists. I won't be surprised to see that this is a "plot" hatched and encouraged by an undercover cop.

Is there any evidence of that?

In this case? Probably not yet. In others? Mountains of it.

 

[Boom_70]

If he was under surveillance since 2009, then he has not been a threat since 2009. This is manufactured theater. Nothing more.

This seems to be more about making Ray Kelly appear important at a news conference than some actual public threat.

It's about deflecting attention from OWS debacle.

NYPD probably keep a file of these things ready to role out

when they need to change news narrative.

 

[YankeeFan]

If he was under surveillance since 2009, then he has not been a threat since 2009. This is manufactured theater. Nothing more.

I don't think either of us know enough about this particular case to make such proclamations.

Apparently, the FBI declined to get involved in the case, so maybe the NYPD was overly aggressige here. I don't know.

But, to say in general that someone who's been under surveillance since 2009, but who wasn't arrested until 2011, therefore wasn't a threat doesn't make sense.

You can't arrest somebody for nothing. The First Amendment allows folks to say a lot of dumb things. Once they begin to act, then you arrest them.

If anything, I think it means we can rule out a "rush to judgment".

The guy was ready to assemble three pipe bombs. That sounds serious.

Entrapment may be a defense, but only if the NYPD gave him the idea and put him up to it.

If it was Pimentel/Muhammad Yusuf's idea, and the NYPD just went along with it - and even assisted him -- as a means of keeping their eyes on him, that's not entrapment.

 

[YankeeFan]

But she said, in Spanish, “My son is not a terrorist.” She added, in English, “My son was like an normal boy, like a normal guy” who had never expressed animosity toward the United States.

“He likes the way of the Muslims,” she said, explaining that he had converted from Roman Catholicism. She also said, “In the beginning, he wasn’t fanatic. He was a regular Muslim.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/nyregion/for-jose-pimentel-bomb-plot-suspect-an-online-trail.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all

So, he wasn't radical when he was Catholic. And, he wasn't radical when he first got involved with Islam.

But, when he became more devoted to Islam, he became radicalized.

Backs up my theory.

 

[Stitch]

If anyone here doesn't see a problem with how the NYPD collects intelligence (eg. overseas spies, operations state lines without permission), then they need a civics lesson on federalism.

 

[joe king]

I just want to know if twarting is similar to tweeting.