NFL pre-season and news thread

[Elliotte Friedman]

Starting a new one, as Adam Schefter reports Andy Dalton signs a six-year, $115M deal with Cincinnati. Structure -- and guaranteed money -- as yet unknown.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

He can thank Jay Cutler.

 

[RecoveringJournalist]

Starting a new one, as Adam Schefter reports Andy Dalton signs a six-year, $115M deal with Cincinnati. Structure -- and guaranteed money -- as yet unknown.

Interesting that Cam Newton and Alex Smith haven't gotten new deals yet.

It will be interesting to see if Dalton's numbers take a huge dip with Gruden gone. I could see it happening.

 

[Mark2010]

Starting a new one, as Adam Schefter reports Andy Dalton signs a six-year, $115M deal with Cincinnati. Structure -- and guaranteed money -- as yet unknown.

Interesting that Cam Newton and Alex Smith haven't gotten new deals yet.

It will be interesting to see if Dalton's numbers take a huge dip with Gruden gone. I could see it happening.

Yeah, I think so, too. But this signals that the Bengals are hitching their wagon to Dalton and going to ride him, for better or worse. Well, they've had three years to evaluate and that's their decision, so good luck.

 

[Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!]

Starting a new one, as Adam Schefter reports Andy Dalton signs a six-year, $115M deal with Cincinnati. Structure -- and guaranteed money -- as yet unknown.

Interesting that Cam Newton and Alex Smith haven't gotten new deals yet.

It will be interesting to see if Dalton's numbers take a huge dip with Gruden gone. I could see it happening.

The fact Dalton got that kind of a deal can not bode well for teams looking to sign/resign better-caliber QBs.

On behalf of the rest of the AFC North, let me say Thank You, Cincinnati for your renewed commitment to mediocrity.

 

[RecoveringJournalist]

I'm just waiting to find out that this deal is nothing even remotely close to what is being reported and that quite a bit of the $$$ are tied into incentives that he likely will never touch, like Kaepernick's deal.

 

[Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!]

I'm just waiting to find out that this deal is nothing even remotely close to what is being reported and that quite a bit of the $$$ are tied into incentives that he likely will never touch, like Kaepernick's deal.

was Schefter the same guy who over-reported the Kaepernick deal?

 

[RecoveringJournalist]

I'm just waiting to find out that this deal is nothing even remotely close to what is being reported and that quite a bit of the $$$ are tied into incentives that he likely will never touch, like Kaepernick's deal.

was Schefter the same guy who over-reported the Kaepernick deal?

Not sure. He certainly wasn't the only one. Sometimes you're at the mercy of what an agent tells you and the agent wants to make it seem like he got a huge deal for his client, because most people remember what is initially reported and not the real numbers when they come out a day or two later.

 

[Morris816]

Starting a new one, as Adam Schefter reports Andy Dalton signs a six-year, $115M deal with Cincinnati. Structure -- and guaranteed money -- as yet unknown.

Interesting that Cam Newton and Alex Smith haven't gotten new deals yet.

It will be interesting to see if Dalton's numbers take a huge dip with Gruden gone. I could see it happening.

Regarding Newton, I suspect part of it has to do with the fact that the Panthers are still trying to sort out their cap situation for the coming years. They are pretty much stuck with DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart for several years, given how their deals were structured. Plus they have to decide if they want to extend Greg Hardy.

As for Smith, my guess is that the Chiefs will give him an extension if they make the playoffs this season. If they don't, they'll let him hit the market and draft somebody.

 

[RecoveringJournalist]

With what the Chiefs gave up to get Smith, I'm guessing he'll get some kind of extension soon.

This Dalton deal is going to scare teams. He's not a bad QB, but even if the actual numbers are $75 million over 5 years, that's insane.

 

[RecoveringJournalist]

He can thank Jay Cutler.

No. He can thank Joe Flacco.

He started this. Everybody has been reacting to that for the past 18 months or so.

 

[JC]

With what the Chiefs gave up to get Smith, I'm guessing he'll get some kind of extension soon.

This Dalton deal is going to scare teams. He's not a bad QB, but even if the actual numbers are $75 million over 5 years, that's insane.

Your alternative is?

He isn't going to be any cheaper at the end of this year. That's the going rate for QB's, we need to get over the sticker shock of these contracts.

 

[BTExpress]

That's the going rate for QB's, we need to get over the sticker shock of these contracts.

It is . . . but it seems like your best chance of winning a SB is when you get a good QB at a bargain price (either as a lucky stab Tom Brady/Kurt Warner or anyone on his first contract or two) BEFORE they sign that monster elite-level extension.

Patriots went 10-1 in the playoffs under Brady's first two contracts (his second one was basically to correct the horribly underpriced first contract but still was nowhere near elite level) . . . and have gone 8-7 since. Think it might be just a little harder to build a Super Bowl champion when your Hall of Fame QB is taking up $15 million of cap space vs. $303,000 (Brady's rookie deal per year)?

Ravens won a Super Bowl with Flacco taking up $7M of cap space. Can they do it when he takes up more than $20M?
Roethlisberger won a couple of Super Bowl titles taking up $2 million of cap space. How close has he come since taking up more than $11M?
Seahawks have a wealth of talent surrounding Russell Wilson and his $662,000 salary. Of course they do! Let's see how good it is when he commands a stratospheric deal next year or in 2016.

 

[JackReacher]

The great Mike Florio gives his 2 cents on upcoming Hall of Fame classes.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/04/looking-ahead-at-future-hall-of-fame-classes/

He calles Terrell Owens "a long shot," and says Randy Moss "may leave some room for debate."

Ahhhh, classic Florio.

 

[MisterCreosote]

LaDainian Tomlinson "looks like a good bet."

LOL.

 

[Gutter]

The great Mike Florio gives his 2 cents on upcoming Hall of Fame classes.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/04/looking-ahead-at-future-hall-of-fame-classes/

He calles Terrell Owens "a long shot," and says Randy Moss "may leave some room for debate."

Ahhhh, classic Florio.

"Posted by Michael David Smith on August 4, 2014, 12:22 PM EDT"

 

[JC]

That's the going rate for QB's, we need to get over the sticker shock of these contracts.

It is . . . but it seems like your best chance of winning a SB is when you get a good QB at a bargain price (either as a lucky stab Tom Brady/Kurt Warner or anyone on his first contract or two) BEFORE they sign that monster elite-level extension.

Patriots went 10-1 in the playoffs under Brady's first two contracts (his second one was basically to correct the horribly underpriced first contract but still was nowhere near elite level) . . . and have gone 8-7 since. Think it might be just a little harder to build a Super Bowl champion when your Hall of Fame QB is taking up $15 million of cap space vs. $303,000 (Brady's rookie deal per year)?

Ravens won a Super Bowl with Flacco taking up $7M of cap space. Can they do it when he takes up more than $20M?
Roethlisberger won a couple of Super Bowl titles taking up $2 million of cap space. How close has he come since taking up more than $11M?
Seahawks have a wealth of talent surrounding Russell Wilson and his $662,000 salary. Of course they do! Let's see how good it is when he commands a stratospheric deal next year or in 2016.

I agree, but are you going to not re-sign these guys?

Dalton is guaranteed 17 million on this deal, if he performs well the Bengals have him at what will be good value in pct of cap. If he doesn't they move on.

 

[JackReacher]

The great Mike Florio gives his 2 cents on upcoming Hall of Fame classes.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/04/looking-ahead-at-future-hall-of-fame-classes/

He calles Terrell Owens "a long shot," and says Randy Moss "may leave some room for debate."

Ahhhh, classic Florio.

"Posted by Michael David Smith on August 4, 2014, 12:22 PM EDT"

Well, ****. You're right. I totally missed that. I suppose I just assumed it was another one of Florio's idiotic posts. Instead, it was an idiotic post by Michael David Smith. Would it surprise you if Florio agrees with everything I pointed out, though? Me, either.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

Bengals are in much better shape than their Ohio counterparts at QB.

 

[RecoveringJournalist]

NFL Network said the main deal is 6-years, $96 million with escalators that could make it worth $115 mil based on playoff wins.

The article said he gets $17 million in bonus money, which isn't that common these days. Usually, it's just guaranteed money. It hints that that amount is all that is guaranteed, but that's not completely clear.