new york daily news: torre to be canned

[heyabbott]

 

[wickedwritah]

George has had, what, 2 managers in 16 years? And his amnesia probably tells him this is 1986, not 2006.

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

GEORGE: Hey, Buck. Talk to you for a second?

SHOWALTER: Sure, George.

GEORGE: How's everything going? Everything O.K.?

SHOWALTER: Well, all of a sudden there's a problem with Tartabull's swing...

GEORGE: Listen, Buck, I uh...obviously I don't need to talk to you about the importance of player morale, but uh...I've been talking to some of the guys, and some of them - I don't want to mention any names - but some of them...they're not too happy with the polyester uniforms.

SHOWALTER: How so?

GEORGE: Well, they get very hot in the polyester. You know, it's not a natural fiber. I think they would prefer cotton.

SHOWALTER: Cotton, huh?

GEORGE: Yeah. Cotton breathes, you see, it's much softer. Imagine playing games and your team is five degrees cooler than the other team. Don't you think that would be an advantage? They're cooler, they're more comfortable...they're happier - they're gonna play better.

SHOWALTER: You may have something there, George.

GEORGE: Oh - I've got something.

SHOWALTER (considering): Hmm. Cotton uniforms.

 

[Columbo]

GEORGE: Yeah. Cotton breathes, you see, it's much softer. Imagine playing games and your team is five degrees cooler than the other team. Don't you think that would be an advantage? They're cooler, they're more comfortable...they're happier - they're gonna play better.

This is great comedy, but it comes painfully close to the bone regarding the reality of the recent years' Yankees.

A totally joyless bunch.

Because of the mouth-breathing assholes in the stands.

 

[Boom_70]

this is all about taking back page from the Mets - and it worked.

the discussion everywhere is about Joe Torre and nothing about the Mets winning.

Its vintage George.

 

[Gold]

Boom - the problem is the vintage is the 1980s.

With Torre's comments about A-Rod in Tom Verducci's article and Torre moving A-Rod down in the lineup, it appears to be almost a showdown between Torre and the Tampa "baseball people". I think it is a case where Torre has to maintain credibility in the clubhouse with Jeter and Giambi, who seems to be regarded as a leader by other players.

I agree with Casty's assessment of Joe Torre and I'll go one step further - I think he is the greatest manager in the history of the New York Yankees. Stengel and McCarthy had a far bigger talent advantage against the rest of the league.

I think Torre is pushing because this is a way out of a situation where the Yankees will be a team in decline next year - Wang would be the top starting pitcher since Mussina is a free agent. I'm not saying Torre is doing anything wrong or unethical. The Yankees got the best possible first-round matchup they could have hoped for and still lost. What is worse - to get paid $7-million and try to manage this team, which might have a strong enough offensive lineup to make the playoffs but doesn't have the pitching or to get fired and collect $7-million without the worries.

Let's imagine Warren Buffett bought the Yankees and handed the team to you. Look at this financially. If you fire Joe Torre, it costs you $7-million. If you get rid of A-Rod, you probably will have to pay much more than that to another team to take his contract.

In the long run, however, you have other problems. Keeping A-Rod would be an unpopular move, and that would affect selling advertising on YES network and selling luxury boxes when the new stadium opens in 2009. On the other hand, trading A-Rod would be very difficult.

Also, if you fire Torre, you make Jeter unhappy.

Not a good situation.

 

[Boom_70]

Boom - the problem is the vintage is the 1980s.

With Torre's comments about A-Rod in Tom Verducci's article and Torre moving A-Rod down in the lineup, it appears to be almost a showdown between Torre and the Tampa "baseball people". I think it is a case where Torre has to maintain credibility in the clubhouse with Jeter and Giambi, who seems to be regarded as a leader by other players.

I agree with Casty's assessment of Joe Torre and I'll go one step further - I think he is the greatest manager in the history of the New York Yankees. Stengel and McCarthy had a far bigger talent advantage against the rest of the league.

I think Torre is pushing because this is a way out of a situation where the Yankees will be a team in decline next year - Wang would be the top starting pitcher since Mussina is a free agent. I'm not saying Torre is doing anything wrong or unethical. The Yankees got the best possible first-round matchup they could have hoped for and still lost. What is worse - to get paid $7-million and try to manage this team, which might have a strong enough offensive lineup to make the playoffs but doesn't have the pitching or to get fired and collect $7-million without the worries.

Let's imagine Warren Buffett bought the Yankees and handed the team to you. Look at this financially. If you fire Joe Torre, it costs you $7-million. If you get rid of A-Rod, you probably will have to pay much more than that to another team to take his contract.

In the long run, however, you have other problems. Keeping A-Rod would be an unpopular move, and that would affect selling advertising on YES network and selling luxury boxes when the new stadium opens in 2009. On the other hand, trading A-Rod would be very difficult.

Also, if you fire Torre, you make Jeter unhappy.

Not a good situation.

George loves to steel the Mets thunder .

 

[spnited]

George can steal as much "thunder" ashe likes. But there will be a World Series championship trophy in Queens this year and there hasn't been one in the Bronx since 2000.

 

[CaptainCharisma]

Boom - the problem is the vintage is the 1980s.

With Torre's comments about A-Rod in Tom Verducci's article and Torre moving A-Rod down in the lineup, it appears to be almost a showdown between Torre and the Tampa "baseball people". I think it is a case where Torre has to maintain credibility in the clubhouse with Jeter and Giambi, who seems to be regarded as a leader by other players.

I agree with Casty's assessment of Joe Torre and I'll go one step further - I think he is the greatest manager in the history of the New York Yankees. Stengel and McCarthy had a far bigger talent advantage against the rest of the league.

I think Torre is pushing because this is a way out of a situation where the Yankees will be a team in decline next year - Wang would be the top starting pitcher since Mussina is a free agent. I'm not saying Torre is doing anything wrong or unethical. The Yankees got the best possible first-round matchup they could have hoped for and still lost. What is worse - to get paid $7-million and try to manage this team, which might have a strong enough offensive lineup to make the playoffs but doesn't have the pitching or to get fired and collect $7-million without the worries.

Let's imagine Warren Buffett bought the Yankees and handed the team to you. Look at this financially. If you fire Joe Torre, it costs you $7-million. If you get rid of A-Rod, you probably will have to pay much more than that to another team to take his contract.

In the long run, however, you have other problems. Keeping A-Rod would be an unpopular move, and that would affect selling advertising on YES network and selling luxury boxes when the new stadium opens in 2009. On the other hand, trading A-Rod would be very difficult.

Also, if you fire Torre, you make Jeter unhappy.

Not a good situation.

George loves to steel the Mets thunder .

George should try to win something this century. Nah, that's not true. I want to see what he pulls after the Mets win the Series. What's left? Dying?

 

[Angola!]

Not going to happen. Even though the Yankees are gone, the two AL teams still have the best pitching staffs the Mets have faced this season and their hitting, while not that great in the AL, is legit compared to the crap being thrown up in the NLCS. Juan Encarnacion still has a job? Are you kidding?
AL will roll in the World Series.

 

[lantaur]

Not going to happen. Even though the Yankees are gone, the two AL teams still have the best pitching staffs the Mets have faced this season and their hitting, while not that great in the AL, is legit compared to the crap being thrown up in the NLCS. Juan Encarnacion still has a job? Are you kidding?
AL will roll in the World Series.

Hell, I'm still trying to figure out how the Cardinals made it this far - they have Albert Pujols ... um, Rolen had a nice year. They have no pitching other than Cris Carpenter. And they won the division! Great pitching matchups to come in the NLCS for sure ... other than Carpenter and Glavine, are there any decent starters?!?!?

 

[Angola!]

Not going to happen. Even though the Yankees are gone, the two AL teams still have the best pitching staffs the Mets have faced this season and their hitting, while not that great in the AL, is legit compared to the crap being thrown up in the NLCS. Juan Encarnacion still has a job? Are you kidding?
AL will roll in the World Series.

Hell, I'm still trying to figure out how the Cardinals made it this far - they have Albert Pujols ... um, Rolen had a nice year. They have no pitching other than Cris Carpenter. And they won the division! Great pitching matchups to come in the NLCS for sure ... other than Carpenter and Glavine, are there any decent starters?!?!?

Not unless you count the immortal Oliver Perez. Seriously though, it is pretty shocking that the pitching for these two teams has carried them this far. I predicted the Mets would win it all, but now I am thinking Carpenter is good for two wins and could possibly come out of the pen if there is a Game 7.

 

[Chi City 81]

George can steal as much "thunder" ashe likes. But there will be a World Series championship trophy in Queens this year and there hasn't been one in the Bronx since 2000.

And there hasn't been one in Queens since 1986. If the Mets win, I'll pull a BYH and won't sign in for a week. Care to wager, old man? :D

 

[broadway joe]

Not going to happen. Even though the Yankees are gone, the two AL teams still have the best pitching staffs the Mets have faced this season and their hitting, while not that great in the AL, is legit compared to the crap being thrown up in the NLCS. Juan Encarnacion still has a job? Are you kidding?
AL will roll in the World Series.

Hell, I'm still trying to figure out how the Cardinals made it this far - they have Albert Pujols ... um, Rolen had a nice year. They have no pitching other than Cris Carpenter. And they won the division! Great pitching matchups to come in the NLCS for sure ... other than Carpenter and Glavine, are there any decent starters?!?!?

Not unless you count the immortal Oliver Perez. Seriously though, it is pretty shocking that the pitching for these two teams has carried them this far. I predicted the Mets would win it all, but now I am thinking Carpenter is good for two wins and could possibly come out of the pen if there is a Game 7.

There's virtually no way Carpenter gets into three games. He pitched the clincher against the Padres on Sunday, which means the Mets won't see him until Game 3. After that, the only way he pitches again is if it goes to Game 7, unless he goes in Game 6 on three days rest. In any case, this series has to go a long way just to get Carpenter a second start, which doesn't bode well for the Cards.

 

[Angola!]

Not going to happen. Even though the Yankees are gone, the two AL teams still have the best pitching staffs the Mets have faced this season and their hitting, while not that great in the AL, is legit compared to the crap being thrown up in the NLCS. Juan Encarnacion still has a job? Are you kidding?
AL will roll in the World Series.

Hell, I'm still trying to figure out how the Cardinals made it this far - they have Albert Pujols ... um, Rolen had a nice year. They have no pitching other than Cris Carpenter. And they won the division! Great pitching matchups to come in the NLCS for sure ... other than Carpenter and Glavine, are there any decent starters?!?!?

Not unless you count the immortal Oliver Perez. Seriously though, it is pretty shocking that the pitching for these two teams has carried them this far. I predicted the Mets would win it all, but now I am thinking Carpenter is good for two wins and could possibly come out of the pen if there is a Game 7.

There's virtually no way Carpenter gets into three games. He pitched the clincher against the Padres on Sunday, which means the Mets won't see him until Game 3. After that, the only way he pitches again is if it goes to Game 7, unless he goes in Game 6 on three days rest. In any case, this series has to go a long way just to get Carpenter a second start, which doesn't bode well for the Cards.

Good point, for some reason I was thinking he would go in Game 2. Heck at this point I think it would be smart of the Cards to throw him on three days rest in Game 2.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Madden's good, but it appears that his Sweet Lou fantasy cigar has exploded in his face,
this time around . . .

 

[spnited]

and today the Post reports .. with as much confirmation as Madden had in the original story (NONE!) .. that George has decided to keep Torre:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102006/sports/yankees/hes_joe_ing_nowhere_yankees_george_king.htm

 

[Moland Spring]

Awesome. George King will now go on a story-breaking rampage. Not good to get him energized.

 

[broadway joe]

No one's broken anything, far as I can tell. When somebody has a story with something Steinbrenner actually has done or said about the Torre situation instead of what he's supposedly thinking, get back to me.

 

[spnited]

Here's an example of what's really wrong with the Yankees:

Gary Sheffield in Monday's papers:

Gary Sheffield said that decisions such as his benching in Game 3, and A-Rod's move from sixth to fourth to eighth in the lineup, "affected the morale and psyche of the entire team, not just A-Rod.
"I'm not making any excuses," Sheffield told USA Today. "But everyone was wondering what was going on. ... You would like to be treated with a little respect, I don't care [whom] you play for."


Gary Sheffield in Tuesday's papers:

"I knew a lot of stuff was going to come out soon after we lost but I didn't expect the finger to be pointed at Joe," Gary Sheffield said. "I didn't think anybody would point the finger at Joe because he is a hero in New York."
Asked if Torre deserves blame for two straight first-round exits, Sheffield said it goes to the players.
"It's always on the players," Sheffield said. "I don't care, it's always on the players."



It's a team full of aging, overpaid, selfish scumbags like Sheffield, Giambi, Johnson and Mussina