New Hampshire Primary Running Thread

[zeke12]

God, why couldn't the Secret Service shoot first and ask questions later?

In other news, my baby done left me, and I got the blues.

 

[Chi City 81]

God, why couldn't the Secret Service shoot first and ask questions later?

In other news, my baby done left me, and I got the blues.

Yeah, but it's for a worthy cause.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Photos!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/05/secret-service-restrains-_n_79954.html

 

[wickedwritah]

Also from that link:

Clinton took her first question from a woman who said that Bill O'Reilly, who stood about 40 feet away from Clinton's left, asked her about Clinton's troop withdrawal plan from Iraq.

"Bill O'Reilly!" Clinton said, gesturing to the talk show host.

The crowd started to jeer, but Clinton raised her hand: "Oh no, no no -- he gets at least some credit for being here."

And she launched into a five minute disquisition on Iraq.

 

[zeke12]

God, why couldn't the Secret Service shoot first and ask questions later?

In other news, my baby done left me, and I got the blues.

Yeah, but it's for a worthy cause.

Oh, Indeed.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

John McCain -- Hepcat.

http://www.yourconcord.com/primaryblog/mccains_answer_to_chuck

I don't think this is an optic you want in an election year when young voters are energized.
Some McCain staffer should be fired.

 

[Chi City 81]

What's McCain's policy on diabeetus?

 

[zeke12]

Another poll out taken after Iowa has Obama up 12 in New Hampshire.

His rally in a Nashua gym caused a traffic jam this morning.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/062764.php

There's still time to get on this train, Fen, but it's starting to speed up. I wouldn't want you to spill your drink.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/rasmussen_poll_obama_takes_big_lead_in_new_hampshire.php

FWIW

 

[Chi City 81]

Why is the Suffolk poll from today still showing Clinton and Romney in the lead?

 

[zeke12]

Much like the DMR poll in Iowa, ARG has the reputation as the most accurate poll in NH, where they are based.

I don't know what the deal is with the Suffolk poll, but the short lag time between the two states is killing Hillary right now. She doesn't have time to stop this, I don't think.

EDIT: The Suffolk poll is tracking, Doc, so it still uses data from before the result was known in Iowa. And it still shows Obama at plus four, Hillary at minus one.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

zeke --
I've done a lot of work in NH down through the years and while I like **** Bennett and the ARG is Manchester-based, their calls haven't been too good over the last few cycles. I think the Rasmussen numbers for Ron Paul are startling.

 

[zeke12]

zeke --
I've done a lot of work in NH down through the years and while I like **** Bennett and the ARG is Manchester-based, their calls haven't been too good over the last few cycles. I think the Rasmussen numbers for Ron Paul are startling.

Well, they clearly blew Iowa, but their numbers line right up with Rasmussen's today, so for now...

The tracking polls show movement, too. Tonight might be the last chance for either Edwards or Hillary -- the three-way dynamic makes it interesting. Since HRC can probably be counted on to go on the attack, does JRE stay back and hope Hillary screws up? Or does he pile on with her and really make it a brawl?

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

I think he and Obama get into a spirited debate over what a progressive really means. This will leave HRC high and dry and, I hope, the two of them moving along into the South. I think a Obama-Edwards primary campaign is about the best thing for the D's.

 

[RedSmithClone]

Hillary better hope her NH organizers are better than her Iowa folks.

Romney better hope that Huckabee at least peels a few votes off McCain.

I don't think it's Huckabee's help Romney needs to steal votes from McCain. I think in New Hampshire, Obama will be a bigger help by stealing Unenrolled voters that McCain normally would count on.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Hillary better hope her NH organizers are better than her Iowa folks.

Romney better hope that Huckabee at least peels a few votes off McCain.

I don't think it's Huckabee's help Romney needs to steal votes from McCain. I think in New Hampshire, Obama will be a bigger help by stealing Unenrolled voters that McCain normally would count on.

And the Clone hits Bingo!
I also think those Rasmussen numbers for Ron Paul don't help the straight-talker either.

 

[zeke12]

I think he and Obama get into a spirited debate over what a progressive really means. This will leave HRC high and dry and, I hope, the two of them moving along into the South. I think a Obama-Edwards primary campaign is about the best thing for the D's.

I think the two of them could, if they both thought it the smart move, do just that, and have a rather high-minded -- but without rancor -- debate on that subject. They could both sort of agree to the frame that the Iowa vote means people want "change" -- hell, at this point the GOP slate is trying to co-opt that slogan -- and both make their cases about their own brand of progressivism.

Which would brilliantly, as you point out, leave Hillary standing there without much to say. Except, you know, Experience, Day One, and, by the way, I'm Fired Up, Too.

At which point Bill probably backhands Mark Penn and goes looking for an all night diner.

 

[zeke12]

Hillary better hope her NH organizers are better than her Iowa folks.

Romney better hope that Huckabee at least peels a few votes off McCain.

I don't think it's Huckabee's help Romney needs to steal votes from McCain. I think in New Hampshire, Obama will be a bigger help by stealing Unenrolled voters that McCain normally would count on.

You might well be right, too, but I really, really want to meet the creature who has narrowed their choices down to John McCain and Obama. I know they exist, I just can't fully fathom it.

New Hampshire: No One Said It Would Make Sense.

 

[zeke12]

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1700705,00.html

Meanwhile, this article says Penn was assuring Hillary right up until the end that she was going to win Iowa.

He flat out had to be lying. Somewhere, Bill is throwing ****.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

I think he and Obama get into a spirited debate over what a progressive really means. This will leave HRC high and dry and, I hope, the two of them moving along into the South. I think a Obama-Edwards primary campaign is about the best thing for the D's.

I think the two of them could, if they both thought it the smart move, do just that, and have a rather high-minded -- but without rancor -- debate on that subject. They could both sort of agree to the frame that the Iowa vote means people want "change" -- hell, at this point the GOP slate is trying to co-opt that slogan -- and both make their cases about their own brand of progressivism.

Which would brilliantly, as you point out, leave Hillary standing there without much to say. Except, you know, Experience, Day One, and, by the way, I'm Fired Up, Too.

At which point Bill probably backhands Mark Penn and goes looking for an all night diner.

Well, an all-night something anyway.
(Sorry, it was just hanging there over the plate.)