NASA Problems Persist

[HeinekenMan]

What's going on with this space station? I get the feeling they're running Windows software up there.

I haven't followed the reports. Is there any sense of near-panic? Are the astronauts safe?

I see that the astronauts are fixing the thermal blanket today. I'm assuming that, if they succeed, there's a chance that everybody goes back in the shuttle. But is there enough room for the Russians?

 

[sportshack06]

I dont think it would be that dire to evacuate immediately.

The ISS has a Soyuz Capsule for all 3 astronauts aboard the ISS..

 

[HeinekenMan]

I read a report earlier today that quoted NASA officials as saying that the astronauts are in no danger. I haven't checked on an update, but I'm sure the story is changing by the hour.

My understanding is that they have power to run oxygen but that they don't have power to the thrusters that keep the space station in orbit. I guess that Soyuz capsule can return to Earth? I don't know the first thing about Russian spacecraft. Jones might have another book to write before all of this mess is over.

 

[Pastor]

Leave the Russians. Take the cannolis.


In all seriousness, what I have read says that they will be fine. The problem is that they have a problem at all. This isn't what NASA needs right now. Far too much money has been lost, with this project and others that are very recent.

 

[John]

Leave the Russians. Take the cannolis.


In all seriousness, what I have read says that they will be fine. The problem is that they have a problem at all. This isn't what NASA needs right now. Far too much money has been lost, with this project and others that are very recent.

But aren't the problems on the Russian side of things? Not much NASA can do about that.

 

[Pastor]

Leave the Russians. Take the cannolis.


In all seriousness, what I have read says that they will be fine. The problem is that they have a problem at all. This isn't what NASA needs right now. Far too much money has been lost, with this project and others that are very recent.

But aren't the problems on the Russian side of things? Not much NASA can do about that.

True enough. But that doesn't affect public perception. People are going to hear "space" and "hole" and, while Boots will be thinking of his neighbor, much of the public will be staring at NASA and wondering what is happening.

 

[Blitz]

Can we somehow blame Putin for this?

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Jones?
Mr. Jones?
There's something happening, but you don't know what it is.
White courtesy phone, Mr. Jones.

 

[write then drink]

What's going on with this space station? I get the feeling they're running Windows software up there.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

I don't know the first thing about Russian spacecraft.

Neither do the Russians --- according to Space.com, both the thrusters and computers are from their country.

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/070615_iss_computer_update.html

Can we somehow blame Putin for this?

Yes.

Godspeed and good luck to the station crew.


[obvious]
Ground Control to Major Tom
Ground control to Major Tom
Take your protein pills and put your helmet on
[/obvious]

 

[HeinekenMan]

I don't know the first thing about Russian spacecraft.

Neither do the Russians --- according to Space.com, both the thrusters and computers are from their country.

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/070615_iss_computer_update.html

Can we somehow blame Putin for this?

Yes.

Godspeed and good luck to the station crew.


[obvious]
Ground Control to Major Tom
Ground control to Major Tom
Take your protein pills and put your helmet on
[/obvious]

Thanks. I not only have that song stuck in my head, but I'm about to become addicted to another Web site. I see that I missed that rocket launch today. It was supposed to launch on Thursday. The local paper had breaking news links announcing the launch. It said in the second that the launch had been pushed back an hour. I waited for the launch and saw nothing. And the news site provided no update. Its coverage just altogether vanished.

 

[Big Buckin' agate_monkey]

I wonder if some NASA techie told them, "Reboot, that outta fix the problem."

 

[HeinekenMan]

I wonder if some NASA techie told them, "Reboot, that outta fix the problem."

Ya, hear ya.

Ring, ring, ring

Voice: Hello, this is the Russian Space Program. If you are experiencing problems with your space station, please restart your modem. If this does not work, check to see that you have plugged in your computer. Are the lights blinking? If so, you might have a more serious problem. If this is Vladimir, please call back when the vodka has worn off. If this is not Vladimir, now is the time to panic. It sounds like a hardware issue. Your hardware was manufactured by a third-party company that no longer exists. You're **** out of luck. There's nothing we can do. If I were you, I'd eat powdered applesauce until you go into sugar shock. And be sure to wear your black Nikes. The Hale-Bopp Comet has an exclusive contract and will not accept passengers who prefer Adidas.

 

[Jones]

I don't want to pretend I'm an expert on anything, but...

... these things break. A lot. They are incredibly fragile machines in an incredibly hostile environment. Also, the Russians keep the lights off to save money and have cats catching mice in their Mission Control. They are not throwing Mercedes up there. It's Yugo City.

Mir, the ISS's precursor, had more than 1,500 breakdowns of some sort or another over its 15-year existence -- from antifreeze leaks to red-hot temperatures to fires to computer flameouts (many, many computer flameouts) and even a good-sized hole punched into it by the nose of a rocket.

I'll be the first to agree that NASA messes up more often than it should, particularly on a public relations front.

But this is tough stuff they're doing. We might think of it as routine, but remember: They're trying to learn how to keep people in space for a long, long time. That's pretty crazy, when you think about it. And along the way, they'll make mistakes.

You'll note there's still a long lineup at the Astronaut Office to go up, though.

 

[amraeder]

The million dollar question, at least for me, is WHY are they doing it? What big breakthrough is the ISS providing that it's worth sinking all this money in, except lessons in how not to build an space station?

 

[User 1019]

The real problem is with the thrusters, right? I read a story yesterday that said if the shuttle leaves before the thrusters are fixed, the space station will be uncontrollable and, thus, uninhabitable.

 

[Jones]

The computers are back up and running, or at least two of them are. "Just another day in the life of a space station," one of the NASA wonks said, and it's true.

amraeder -- the rationale behind the space station is that it's a stepping stone -- that if we want to have moon colonies someday, or if we want to visit Mars, we'll have to learn how to live in space for years at a time. The space station is essentially a giant classroom for these guys, as well as a lab, dedicated to making a light in the sky inhabitable for the longterm. Something as simple as how to do laundry in space -- that's what these guys are figuring out.

There are also a series of on-going experiments, materials science and weightlessness physics mostly. It all seems pretty stupid when you read about it -- growing protein crystals, say -- but there are real life uses for these things, believe it or not.

Of course, if you don't want us to go to the moon or to Mars, or you don't care -- and that's a perfectly valid argument (although I think a short-sighted one) -- then you're not going to find a lot to like in the space station, either. It's some expensive hardware.*

*Although NASA's budget is only 1.6 percent of the federal budget, for comparison's sake.

 

[Big Buckin' agate_monkey]

Sorry, boys and girls. Your computer won't be fixed until Monday.

What? You people are staying in space over the weekend? Sorry, our tech people leave at noon on Fridays to play golf. Good luck.

 

[HeinekenMan]

Jones, I love the concept of space exploration and living in space. But a few things to note here:

1. I don't need to know how to do laundry in space. Frankly, I would go buck naked if I lived on the moon. I'd walk out to get the paper from the driveway and probably stop to scratch myself and then write my name in the sky in much the same way that I write my name in the snow on Earth.

2. The thing that probably bothers me most about the space program is the way in which contracts are awarded. I remember studying this in college and finding that the system is full of holes that allow private companies to fleece the government and the public and various other issues.

3. What was once a cutting-edge concept, the space shuttle, seems more peculiar every year. Essentially, it's a giant gas can blasted with an fancy airplane glued to the side, and all of that is sent racing through the atmosphere by two rockets. I keep thinking of it as two giant bottle rockets tied to an Edsel with wings. I know there's a lot of **** going on out there to improve space flight, but I'm not knowledgeable of what's on the horizon. I vaguely recall that the shuttle is going to be replaced at some point in the near future. Hopefully, the concepts to be introduced in the next 25 years far surpass the current shuttle program.

By the way, how's that pinball machine?

 

[amraeder]

The computers are back up and running, or at least two of them are. "Just another day in the life of a space station," one of the NASA wonks said, and it's true.

amraeder -- the rationale behind the space station is that it's a stepping stone -- that if we want to have moon colonies someday, or if we want to visit Mars, we'll have to learn how to live in space for years at a time. The space station is essentially a giant classroom for these guys, as well as a lab, dedicated to making a light in the sky inhabitable for the longterm. Something as simple as how to do laundry in space -- that's what these guys are figuring out.

There are also a series of on-going experiments, materials science and weightlessness physics mostly. It all seems pretty stupid when you read about it -- growing protein crystals, say -- but there are real life uses for these things, believe it or not.

Of course, if you don't want us to go to the moon or to Mars, or you don't care -- and that's a perfectly valid argument (although I think a short-sighted one) -- then you're not going to find a lot to like in the space station, either. It's some expensive hardware.*

*Although NASA's budget is only 1.6 percent of the federal budget, for comparison's sake.

Thanks for the answer. Well put. I DO want us to go far some day -- Mars and beyond. That's why I get frustrated that we're spending so much money to stay so close to home. But, yeah, I can see why living in space for a long time would be crucial to do that, so thanks for the answer.
Wasn't trying to be a **** with my original post, just seriously didn't know what we were getting out of it.