Magglio Ordonez: Pinko Socialist!!

[Starman]

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/06/magglio-ordonez-is-running-for-mayor-on-the-socialist-ticket/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

 

[old_tony]

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/06/magglio-ordonez-is-running-for-mayor-on-the-socialist-ticket/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

The raging successes of Detroit convinced him.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Yeah, but the important point is, Magglio Ordonez: Hall of Famer?

 

[ColdCat]

Yeah, but the important point is, Magglio Ordonez: Hall of Famer?

more important still: Magglio Ordonez- number retired by the Tigers?

 

[Starman]

Yeah, but the important point is, Magglio Ordonez: Hall of Famer?

more important still: Magglio Ordonez- number retired by the Tigers?

Trammell and Whitaker's aren't and won't be; why would Ordonez's?

 

[Oscar Gamble]

Yeah, but the important point is, Magglio Ordonez: Hall of Famer?

more important still: Magglio Ordonez- number retired by the Tigers?

Trammell and Whitaker's aren't and won't be; why would Ordonez's?

...and Magglio's career numbers were better in Chicago and he has no chance of having his number retired there either.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ordonma01.shtml

 

[JakeandElwood]

Just another Venezuelan bleep.



(That's a quote from Ozzie's first real rant as White Sox manager.)

 

[Knighthawk]

more important still: Magglio Ordonez- number retired by the Tigers?

It's a pretty simple rule for the Tigers. Make the Hall of Fame, and they will consider retiring your number. They've done it for Sparky, Kaline, Gehringer, Greenberg, Newhouser and Cobb (he got a statue and a spot on the retired-number wall - the number is obviously blank). They haven't given Magglio's number to anyone yet, but they will. The only number that is currently unavailable is #47. If Morris gets in, they will probably retire it.

Barring a major catastrophe, #24 is on its last owner, and #35 is probably going up as well.

The only exception to this rule is #23, which was retired for Willie Horton. He's a unique case because of his lifetime bond with the franchise and the city - he grew up in Detroit, went onto the streets in full uniform in 1967 to try to convince the rioters to stop, and is still part of the organization at the age of 70.

 

[UPChip]

Last week, when they traded for Iglesias, he got number one. It wasn't a big stink, but it was certainly noted that Iglesias was the first Tiger to wear 1 since Lou Whitaker.

 

[Starman]

more important still: Magglio Ordonez- number retired by the Tigers?

It's a pretty simple rule for the Tigers. Make the Hall of Fame, and they will consider retiring your number. They've done it for Sparky, Kaline, Gehringer, Greenberg, Newhouser and Cobb (he got a statue and a spot on the retired-number wall - the number is obviously blank). They haven't given Magglio's number to anyone yet, but they will. The only number that is currently unavailable is #47. If Morris gets in, they will probably retire it.

Barring a major catastrophe, #24 is on its last owner, and #35 is probably going up as well.

The only exception to this rule is #23, which was retired for Willie Horton. He's a unique case because of his lifetime bond with the franchise and the city - he grew up in Detroit, went onto the streets in full uniform in 1967 to try to convince the rioters to stop, and is still part of the organization at the age of 70.

No. 23 is supppsedly 'co-retired' for Horton and Kirk Gibson. Same for No. 11 with Sparky Anderson and Bill Freehan.

 

[ColdCat]

more important still: Magglio Ordonez- number retired by the Tigers?

It's a pretty simple rule for the Tigers. Make the Hall of Fame, and they will consider retiring your number. They've done it for Sparky, Kaline, Gehringer, Greenberg, Newhouser and Cobb (he got a statue and a spot on the retired-number wall - the number is obviously blank). They haven't given Magglio's number to anyone yet, but they will. The only number that is currently unavailable is #47. If Morris gets in, they will probably retire it.

Barring a major catastrophe, #24 is on its last owner, and #35 is probably going up as well.

The only exception to this rule is #23, which was retired for Willie Horton. He's a unique case because of his lifetime bond with the franchise and the city - he grew up in Detroit, went onto the streets in full uniform in 1967 to try to convince the rioters to stop, and is still part of the organization at the age of 70.

For years they wouldn't retire anyone's number because it was an honor they couldn't give to Cobb. Hell, didn't they just get around to retiring Newhouser's number a few years ago? I agree that Cabrera is the last Tiger to wear 24 and I think Verlander's will be retired too. Mags is still loved for the walk-off in '06 but I don't know it that is enough to hang up No. 30.

 

[Versatile]

Is Sam Crawford's number not retired?

 

[Knighthawk]

No. 23 is supppsedly 'co-retired' for Horton and Kirk Gibson. Same for No. 11 with Sparky Anderson and Bill Freehan.

According to whom? 23 is retired for Horton and 11 is retired for Sparky. There's nothing anywhere that honors Gibby or Freehan.

 

[Knighthawk]

Is Sam Crawford's number not retired?

Never wore one. He's listed in RCF with the other Hall of Famers who have Tigers caps on their plaques - Manush, Heilmann, Cochrane, Jennings and Kell, plus Ernie Harwell, Sparky's No. 11 and Jackie Robinson's No. 42. Harwell does have a statue in the stadium's main entryway.

 

[Versatile]

Did Ty Cobb ever actually wear a number, though?

 

[Starman]

No. 23 is supppsedly 'co-retired' for Horton and Kirk Gibson. Same for No. 11 with Sparky Anderson and Bill Freehan.

According to whom? 23 is retired for Horton and 11 is retired for Sparky. There's nothing anywhere that honors Gibby or Freehan.

I thought there had been some kind of statement to that effect, but I checked and apparently not. There certainly won't be now, since Gibson hates the current Tiger management and the feeling is mutual. And Freehan is pretty much forgotten by anybody younget than 50.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

For years they wouldn't retire anyone's number because it was an honor they couldn't give to Cobb. Hell, didn't they just get around to retiring Newhouser's number a few years ago?

Newhouser's was retired in 1997, one year before he died.

 

[Football_Bat]

Did Ty Cobb ever actually wear a number, though?

The first two teams to wear uniform numbers on a permanent basis in MLB were the Yankees and Indians in 1929 (the spring after Ty Cobb retired, coincidentally).

Uniform numbers in MLB didn't become universal until 1937, when the Philadelphia A's became the last holdouts to relent.

 

[Versatile]

So why does Ty Cobb have a retired number? Or, why doesn't Sam Crawford?

 

[ColdCat]

So why does Ty Cobb have a retired number? Or, why doesn't Sam Crawford?

As I said before, the Tigers for a long time hesitated to retire anyone's number since they didn't have a number for Cobb they could retire and if they couldn't honor the greatest player in team history (a distinction that is perhaps debatable) then why honor anyone. Since there was later support to honor other players, the team started honoring a few more, but included Cobb by putting his name over a blank spot of wall in left-center along with all the other retired numbers.