Knicks reportedly hire D'Antoni

[jakewriter82]

Apologies if this is a d_b, I didn't see it here anywhere and I'm a bit shocked.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/nba/05/10/coach.knicks/index.html?eref=T1

This could actually be a good move for both D'Antoni and the Knicks. But they, both you could argue, are exhibit A and B in futility. The Knicks moreso than D'Antoni, but he's no Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan yet.

On the surface it looks like a good hire for the Knicks IMO.

 

[forever_town]

I disagree. I'm not saying D'Antoni is a bad coach, but I don't think he's the right fit for the Knicks.

The Knicks are dysfunctional enough to need someone to come in and clean up. D'Antoni hasn't demonstrated the ability to be that kind of coach.

That's like hiring Tony Dungy to coach the Bengals.

 

[JakeandElwood]

He would have made less money but had a roster much better suited to his system in Chicago. I don't see how he can win in the next couple of years in New York.

 

[hockeybeat]

Apparently, Pete Vecsey broke the story for the NY Post.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8123594?MSNHPHMA

With what D'Antoni's about to step into, he's going to need all the good luck he can get.


I want to know why the Knicks passed on Mark Jackson. He had been the front-runner for the job. What changed Donnie Walsh's mind?

 

[jakewriter82]

Well maybe. But the Suns were 29-53 in 2003, the year he took over midseason. Then the next season they went 62-20 and reached the conference finals. They also acquired Steve Nash and Amare, but it's not like D'Antoni was just a cheerleader.
He's not going to fix the knicks himself. But it sure helps having someone who knows how to win (in the regular season, at least) calling the shots. And why would Tony Dungy be so bad for the Bengals?
His record speaks for itself, and Tampa wasn't so great when he took over there, either.
Edit: The Suns had Staudemire in 2003. But still, the point remains.

 

[GB-Hack]

Apparently, Pete Vecsey broke the story for the NY Post.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8123594?MSNHPHMA

With what D'Antoni's about to step into, he's going to need all the good luck he can get.


I want to know why the Knicks passed on Mark Jackson. He had been the front-runner for the job. What changed Donnie Walsh's mind?

As far as Jackson is concerned, I would think the lack of head coaching experience would be a significant factor. The Knicks in their present form are not something I'd turn over to a first-time coach.

 

[forever_town]

And why would Tony Dungy be so bad for the Bengals?
His record speaks for itself, and Tampa wasn't so great when he took over there, either.
Edit: The Suns had Staudemire in 2003. But still, the point remains.

I'm definitely not saying Tony Dungy is a bad coach. His record speaks for itself.

I'm making the point that the Knicks need a taskmaster to straighten up the mess left by Dolan and Ike. I figured the Bengals were the best example of an NFL team that would need a taskmaster if they were to get a new coach.

D'Antoni and Dungy may both be excellent coaches (in fact, I consider that a non-argument in Dungy's case), but neither of them are taskmasters. And Dungy isn't a screamer.

 

[hockeybeat]

Apparently, Pete Vecsey broke the story for the NY Post.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8123594?MSNHPHMA

With what D'Antoni's about to step into, he's going to need all the good luck he can get.


I want to know why the Knicks passed on Mark Jackson. He had been the front-runner for the job. What changed Donnie Walsh's mind?

As far as Jackson is concerned, I would think the lack of head coaching experience would be a significant factor. The Knicks in their present form are not something I'd turn over to a first-time coach.

I'm kind of shocked that D'Antoni took the job. He experienced success with Phoenix. As JakeandElwood said, why would D'Antoni pass on the Bulls job to rebuild the thoroughly awful Knicks?

 

[imjustagirl]

Apparently, Pete Vecsey broke the story for the NY Post.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8123594?MSNHPHMA

With what D'Antoni's about to step into, he's going to need all the good luck he can get.


I want to know why the Knicks passed on Mark Jackson. He had been the front-runner for the job. What changed Donnie Walsh's mind?

As far as Jackson is concerned, I would think the lack of head coaching experience would be a significant factor. The Knicks in their present form are not something I'd turn over to a first-time coach.

I'm kind of shocked that D'Antoni took the job. He experienced success with Phoenix. As JakeandElwood said, why would D'Antoni pass on the Bulls job to rebuild the thoroughly awful Knicks?

 

[jakewriter82]

And why would Tony Dungy be so bad for the Bengals?
His record speaks for itself, and Tampa wasn't so great when he took over there, either.
Edit: The Suns had Staudemire in 2003. But still, the point remains.

I'm definitely not saying Tony Dungy is a bad coach. His record speaks for itself.

I'm making the point that the Knicks need a taskmaster to straighten up the mess left by Dolan and Ike. I figured the Bengals were the best example of an NFL team that would need a taskmaster if they were to get a new coach.

D'Antoni and Dungy may both be excellent coaches (in fact, I consider that a non-argument in Dungy's case), but neither of them are taskmasters. And Dungy isn't a screamer.

Well that may be.
I can't speak to what type of coach D'Antoni is, but he's had success. And my thinking is that could rub off on the Knicks. But then again, Larry Brown failed there so who knows.

 

[rube]

And why would Tony Dungy be so bad for the Bengals?
His record speaks for itself, and Tampa wasn't so great when he took over there, either.
Edit: The Suns had Staudemire in 2003. But still, the point remains.

I'm definitely not saying Tony Dungy is a bad coach. His record speaks for itself.

I'm making the point that the Knicks need a taskmaster to straighten up the mess left by Dolan and Ike. I figured the Bengals were the best example of an NFL team that would need a taskmaster if they were to get a new coach.

D'Antoni and Dungy may both be excellent coaches (in fact, I consider that a non-argument in Dungy's case), but neither of them are taskmasters. And Dungy isn't a screamer.

Well that may be.
I can't speak to what type of coach D'Antoni is, but he's had success. And my thinking is that could rub off on the Knicks. But then again, Larry Brown failed there so who knows.

He's never had playoff success, and he won't have playoff success in the East either if they continue to run that Suns-style offense. They've got to find a way to bring in something resembling a defensive effort into that scheme if they ever want a shot.

 

[hockeybeat]

Apparently, Pete Vecsey broke the story for the NY Post.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8123594?MSNHPHMA

With what D'Antoni's about to step into, he's going to need all the good luck he can get.


I want to know why the Knicks passed on Mark Jackson. He had been the front-runner for the job. What changed Donnie Walsh's mind?

As far as Jackson is concerned, I would think the lack of head coaching experience would be a significant factor. The Knicks in their present form are not something I'd turn over to a first-time coach.

I'm kind of shocked that D'Antoni took the job. He experienced success with Phoenix. As JakeandElwood said, why would D'Antoni pass on the Bulls job to rebuild the thoroughly awful Knicks?

D'Antoni was going to get paid, no matter where he went. Why go to New York? He's going to be saddled with mis-matched players that openly hate each other and don't care if they win or lose, just as long as they get their shots.

 

[Beaker]

I'm guessing Walsh assured him that there would be a major roster makeover.

 

[broadway joe]

Why are people concerned with whether D'Antoni's a good fit for the Knicks' roster? Walsh didn't hire D'Antoni to coach this roster. He hired him to help overhaul it. If he can turn the Knicks into a competitive team with an attractive style of play by the time guys like LeBron and D.Wade become free agents in two years, he will have done his job.

 

[PCLoadLetter]

D'Antoni didn't pass on the Chicago job. He was never offered the Bulls job.

This is going to be a mess.

D'Antoni is leaving Phoenix because he decided he couldn't work for a GM who suggested that the team (a) should attempt to learn defense and (b) should have more than a 7-man rotation. He said that it's not his job to develop players. He's wrong on all counts.

So, he's going to bring his running style to a team that can't run with a point guard who won't pass.

He didn't want to wait on Chicago because he had really screwed up his options. He wouldn't quit and walk away from the Suns' money, so he had to find another job or return to a pretty hostile situation in Phoenix. The Knicks backed up the Brinks truck and he took that job instead of hoping for a better situation in Chicago.

This is going to be a horrible failure. He's really, really going to regret this once he settles in with the Knicks.

 

[93Devil]

How many more years is Chris Paul inked in NO?

That's the guy who I think could play Nash's role in NY.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

I'm guessing Walsh assured him that there would be a major roster makeover.

Someone is going to have to approve a bunch of buyouts. Can you see Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph or especially Stephon Marbury actually listening to a coach?

 

[hockeybeat]

I'm guessing Walsh assured him that there would be a major roster makeover.

Someone is going to have to approve a bunch of buyouts. Can you see Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph or especially Stephon Marbury actually listening to a coach?

Can you see a GM--other than Zeke, of course--who is dumb enough to trade for Curry, Randolph and Coney Island's Finest?

 

[Sam Mills 51]

I'm guessing Walsh assured him that there would be a major roster makeover.

Someone is going to have to approve a bunch of buyouts. Can you see Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph or especially Stephon Marbury actually listening to a coach?

Can you see a GM--other than Zeke, of course--who is dumb enough to trade for Curry, Randolph and Coney Island's Finest?

You see the point.

That stack of cash is about all that will otherwise keep D'Antoni sane. The three players listed above, and Nate Robinson, aren't what anyone would consider coachable.

 

[broadway joe]

It's highly unlikely that D'Antoni will have to deal with Marbury. He has one year left on his deal and the Knicks will probably either buy him out or let him sit at home while it expires. Their PG next year will probably be either Nate Robinson, a college stud like Derrick Rose or some cheap, pass-first free agent. They probably can't unload Curry or Randolph, but they can certainly reduce their minutes and play David Lee, a D'Antoni type, at the 4. If they were to get someone like Michael Beasley or even Brook Lopez in the draft, they could reduce Curry and Randolph's roles even more. The point is, the Knicks definitely have some deadwood, but it's not like D'Antoni has to rely on stiffs like Marbury, Curry and Randolph as much as Zeke did.