Knicks-Nuggets megabrawl??

[Double J]

Don't use this Knicks/Nuggets brawl to call for an end to fighting in the NHL. It's not even close to the same thing.

That's right. Hockey players go toe-to-toe when they fight. Basketball players *****-slap each other and then prance away like the studio gangster/wannabe tough guys they are.

So, in other words:

1) Fighting in the NHL is good because it keeps players from using the sticks on each other. In other words, the league prefers endorsing the lesser of two evils rather than having enough of a nutsack to deal with the problem.

Only true if you consider fighting to be a problem, which most true hockey fans do not.

2) Fighting doesn't result in an automatic ejection, and it takes three fight to get a one-game suspension. That's bold.

Nothing wrong with that rule, which has been in place for decades. If it ain't broke...

Again: The NHL doesn't have the nuts to deal with players fighting on a nightly basis. That's because it's a suckass league in charge of a suckass sport. No other sport's major league has lost an entire season because of a lockout/strike. No other sport's major league had to rely on visual manipulation for its telecasts. No other sport has had the franchise turmoil the NHL has. No other sport has ratings as low as the NHL. Even the XFL had comparable ratings to an NHL broadcast.

Shall I go on?

Many hockey fans like fighting, which the NHL recognizes. Again, it's not a problem.

We also don't give a **** how low hockey's ratings are in the United States. We also disagree with the NHL's continuing attempts to dumb down our favourite sport in order to attract the kind of fan who would be more comfortable watching something on a par with an XFL game.

What franchise turmoil? Although the NHL has teams in some questionable places, it hasn't seen a franchise move in 10 years. It also has never seen the likes of Al Davis or Robert Irsay or Art Modell. It also has no teams operated by the league office, as were the former Montreal Expos.

And if you don't think visual manipulation exists in broadcasts of other team sports, what do you make of the virtual first-down line used by networks in every football game ever broadcast these days? Virtual strike zones in baseball? Shall I go on?

If you don't like hockey, that's fine. Don't watch it. Don't participate in threads about it. But if you're going to talk about it, at least make sure you have some idea of what you're talking about. Otherwise, as is often the case with you, you're just babbling.

 

[hockeybeat]

So, in other words:

1) Fighting in the NHL is good because it keeps players from using the sticks on each other. In other words, the league prefers endorsing the lesser of two evils rather than having enough of a nutsack to deal with the problem.

Yes, because the NHL is the only sport where players fight. I must have missed the Cowboys-Titans love-in earlier this season. Nothing happened tonight. No sir. And there's never been a brawl in baseball. The NHL clearly needs to take lessons from MLB, the NFL, the NBA and the NCAA. Oh wait. There are fights in those leagues/sports, too.

2) Fighting doesn't result in an automatic ejection, and it takes three fight to get a one-game suspension. That's bold.

Fighting has been part of hockey since its inception. It's part of the sport's working man fabric. To take fighting out of hockey is akin to taking the basket out of basketball. Hockey is a game that rewards hard work. Sometimes that work is physical. Note that most fights, the combatants agree to drop the gloves. There's no sissy ****, like what Carmelo Anthony pulled tonight. Also in every NHL fight, when it's evident that one player is getting pummeled and has no hope of winning, the linesmen step in and drag the participants away.

3) Suspending people who come off the bench is no different than in basketball. Maybe you have forgotten the Knicks playoff series a few years ago where the suspensions were staggered.

I didn't forget about the Knicks-Heat riot. It took place on my birthday. But the NHL had the "no-players off the bench" rule in place since the late 1970s.

Again: The NHL doesn't have the nuts to deal with players fighting on a nightly basis. That's because it's a suckass league in charge of a suckass sport. No other sport's major league has lost an entire season because of a lockout/strike. No other sport's major league had to rely on visual manipulation for its telecasts. No other sport has had the franchise turmoil the NHL has. No other sport has ratings as low as the NHL. Even the XFL had comparable ratings to an NHL broadcast.

Shall I go on?

You're right, the NHL has its problems. The NHL is also trying to draw more viewers to a great sport. Too bad insignificant assholes, like yourself, just parrot "it sucks!" Go to a game and ****ing learn about it, ****head.

Everything the league has done, has been for the betterment of the league. Look at the "lost season." What happened because of it? The NHL game is much more viewer friendly. Rules that were beneficial for offense were implemented. The league and Fox Sports tried the glowing puck and shelved it when it was a colossal failure. And it's certainly fair to compare the NHL, which has only been around since 1917-1918 to the one-and-done XFL.

Shall I go on?

 

[DyePack]

Okay Dye, then where do you draw the comparison between fighting in the NBA and fighting in the NHL? What does one have to do with the other when we all know fighting never spills into the stands during an NHL game?

Don't use this Knicks/Nuggets brawl to call for an end to fighting in the NHL. It's not even close to the same thing.

There's a barrier around the entire stadium for an NHL game.

Keep working on that brain cell. Apparently it needs more time.

My point exactly. You decried fighting because "it spilled into the stands" so you cannot equate fighting in the NHL to fighting in the NBA.

1) It's accepted in the NHL
2) It cannot, will not, does not spill into the stands of an NHL rink.

So, I tell you again, stop using the Knicks/Nuggets brawl as an example of why fighting in the NHL should be removed.

It's part of the game, always has been. And it's been accepted by its players, fans, officials and management. And an idiot like you is not going to change that.

Dude, it takes a blink of an eye to refute each of your arguments.

First of all, my responses have shifted because you've shifted your "argument" from what's wrong with fighting that goes into the stands to fighting in the NHL is good because it doesn't go into the stands.

Let's go really slowly so you can try to keep up. In the NHL, you see that barrier that keeps the puck from flying into the stands? That keeps the fights from going into the stands. Comprende?

And saying the NHL has accepted fighting, so it's OK, is flat-out moronic.

One league deals with the problem; the other doesn't. I'll let you puzzle out which is which.

 

[hockeybeat]

Okay Dye, then where do you draw the comparison between fighting in the NBA and fighting in the NHL? What does one have to do with the other when we all know fighting never spills into the stands during an NHL game?

Don't use this Knicks/Nuggets brawl to call for an end to fighting in the NHL. It's not even close to the same thing.

There's a barrier around the entire stadium for an NHL game.

Keep working on that brain cell. Apparently it needs more time.

My point exactly. You decried fighting because "it spilled into the stands" so you cannot equate fighting in the NHL to fighting in the NBA.

1) It's accepted in the NHL
2) It cannot, will not, does not spill into the stands of an NHL rink.

So, I tell you again, stop using the Knicks/Nuggets brawl as an example of why fighting in the NHL should be removed.

It's part of the game, always has been. And it's been accepted by its players, fans, officials and management. And an idiot like you is not going to change that.

Dude, it takes a blink of an eye to refute each of your arguments.

First of all, my responses have shifted because you've shifted your "argument" from what's wrong with fighting that goes into the stands to fighting in the NHL is good because it doesn't go into the stands.

Let's go really slowly so you can try to keep up. In the NHL, you see that barrier that keeps the puck from flying into the stands? That keeps the fights from going into the stands. Comprende?

And saying the NHL has accepted fighting, so it's OK, is flat-out moronic.

One league deals with the problem; the other doesn't. I'll let you puzzle out which is which.

The last NHL fight that went into the stands happened in the 1970s. Since then, there have been plenty of heated, hate-filled rivalries (Avs-Red Wings comes to mind). If the Rangers and Bruins could go up into the stands, why didn't the Avs and Red Wings?

 

[DyePack]

The U.S. broadcast networks do care about ratings, though, which is why hockey has been relegated to Vs.

If fighting is to hockey as the basket is to basketball, then that only reinforces my argument: Hockey sucks. Always has, always will.

No other sport had to put a halo around the sport's main feature. First down markers and such are annoyances I wish the networks would drop. But that's not the same as having to enlighten the object of play.

As far as franchise continuity, the NHL's record is far worse than any other league. I believe there was just a push for the league to step in at Pittsburgh.

No other league has dropped as many teams as the NHL in recent years. That's because no other league has dropped any teams. Every league has expanded.

To summarize:

The NHL is on par with the WNBA in terms of franchise continuity.

It's on par with no other league in terms of ratings, broadcast continuity, penalties for breaking the rules, etc. It lags behind all of them.

 

[DyePack]

Okay Dye, then where do you draw the comparison between fighting in the NBA and fighting in the NHL? What does one have to do with the other when we all know fighting never spills into the stands during an NHL game?

Don't use this Knicks/Nuggets brawl to call for an end to fighting in the NHL. It's not even close to the same thing.

There's a barrier around the entire stadium for an NHL game.

Keep working on that brain cell. Apparently it needs more time.

My point exactly. You decried fighting because "it spilled into the stands" so you cannot equate fighting in the NHL to fighting in the NBA.

1) It's accepted in the NHL
2) It cannot, will not, does not spill into the stands of an NHL rink.

So, I tell you again, stop using the Knicks/Nuggets brawl as an example of why fighting in the NHL should be removed.

It's part of the game, always has been. And it's been accepted by its players, fans, officials and management. And an idiot like you is not going to change that.

Dude, it takes a blink of an eye to refute each of your arguments.

First of all, my responses have shifted because you've shifted your "argument" from what's wrong with fighting that goes into the stands to fighting in the NHL is good because it doesn't go into the stands.

Let's go really slowly so you can try to keep up. In the NHL, you see that barrier that keeps the puck from flying into the stands? That keeps the fights from going into the stands. Comprende?

And saying the NHL has accepted fighting, so it's OK, is flat-out moronic.

One league deals with the problem; the other doesn't. I'll let you puzzle out which is which.

The last NHL fight that went into the stands happened in the 1970s. Since then, there have been plenty of heated, hate-filled rivalries (Avs-Red Wings comes to mind). If the Rangers and Bruins could go up into the stands, why didn't the Avs and Red Wings?

Barrier. A-round. Stands.

Not sure why this is difficult.

 

[Flip Wilson]

For those that haven't seen it yet:
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/ivp/index?id=2699968

OK...just saw it for the first time. Anyone else notice as Anthony is backpedaling past mid-court, there's a photogapher probably 10 feet out on the court shooting pictures, following the action up the floor. What an idiot. I kept waiting for him to get drilled like the trombone player in the end zone.

 

[SoSueMe]

Okay Dye, then where do you draw the comparison between fighting in the NBA and fighting in the NHL? What does one have to do with the other when we all know fighting never spills into the stands during an NHL game?

Don't use this Knicks/Nuggets brawl to call for an end to fighting in the NHL. It's not even close to the same thing.

There's a barrier around the entire stadium for an NHL game.

Keep working on that brain cell. Apparently it needs more time.

My point exactly. You decried fighting because "it spilled into the stands" so you cannot equate fighting in the NHL to fighting in the NBA.

1) It's accepted in the NHL
2) It cannot, will not, does not spill into the stands of an NHL rink.

So, I tell you again, stop using the Knicks/Nuggets brawl as an example of why fighting in the NHL should be removed.

It's part of the game, always has been. And it's been accepted by its players, fans, officials and management. And an idiot like you is not going to change that.

Dude, it takes a blink of an eye to refute each of your arguments.

First of all, my responses have shifted because you've shifted your "argument" from what's wrong with fighting that goes into the stands to fighting in the NHL is good because it doesn't go into the stands.

Let's go really slowly so you can try to keep up. In the NHL, you see that barrier that keeps the puck from flying into the stands? That keeps the fights from going into the stands. Comprende?

And saying the NHL has accepted fighting, so it's OK, is flat-out moronic.

One league deals with the problem; the other doesn't. I'll let you puzzle out which is which.

It's only a problem if it's not a) accepted or b) part of the game or c) in the rules.

And fighting in hockey is a) accepted - by EVERYONE involved b) part of the game and c) well within the rules.

So, simple math: It's not a "problem" in hockey.

The only problems are people like you, who don't understand the game, have never liked the game to begin with and have never played the game (or, more likely ANY game at all), so you don't understand passion, physical contact nor cheap shots (outside of the verbal ones you toss from time to time) in sports.

Also, let me understand this: You say if there wasn't a barrier in hockey, fighting would undoubtedly spill into the stands?

And, if you think hockey could be played without a barrier, you're a bigger idiot than I first thought.

 

[hockeybeat]

The U.S. broadcast networks do care about ratings, though, which is why hockey has been relegated to Vs.

And Versus is on every major cable carrier in the nation. Is it the best network to showcase hockey? Of course not. In a perfect world, ESPN would air NHL games. But for a league that was supposed to be dead, it's surprisingly vibrant. The NHL's next step is to get on a bigger cable network. I'll also point out that a majority of teams' games are broadcast by a local Fox Sports affiliate, much like...wait for it...Major League ****ing Baseball and College Basketball.

If fighting is to hockey as the basket is to basketball, then that only reinforces my argument: Hockey sucks. Always has, always will.

What an argument. What a wordsmith. What a tool. I presume you once watched Slap Shot and didn't like it. Go back, watch it again, and come back with another stupid argument about fighting.

No other sport had to put a halo around the sport's main feature. First down markers and such are annoyances I wish the networks would drop. But that's not the same as having to enlighten the object of play.

It is the same thing. Because people like you pissed and moaned that they couldn't see the puck, the league and network relented and "lasered" the piece of frozen vulcanized rubber. The NHL realized that it was stupid and eliminated it. Meanwhile, the first down marker will pop up hundreds of times tomorrow and Monday. And I can't wait for the K corner during baseball season.

As far as franchise continuity, the NHL's record is far worse than any other league. I believe there was just a push for the league to step in at Pittsburgh.

Yes, no MLB team has threatened to move or shut down. Hey, how are those Expos doing?

No other league has dropped as many teams as the NHL in recent years. That's because no other league has dropped any teams. Every league has expanded.

NHL has expanded too. No NHL team has shut its doors.

To summarize:

The NHL is on par with the WNBA in terms of franchise continuity.

It's on par with no other league in terms of ratings, broadcast continuity, penalties for breaking the rules, etc. It lags behind all of them.

Read above. I refuted every single argument you made. Quite simply, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Well, the California Golden Seals/Cleveland Barons went away, being melted into the Minnesota North Stars.

 

[hockeybeat]

Okay Dye, then where do you draw the comparison between fighting in the NBA and fighting in the NHL? What does one have to do with the other when we all know fighting never spills into the stands during an NHL game?

Don't use this Knicks/Nuggets brawl to call for an end to fighting in the NHL. It's not even close to the same thing.

There's a barrier around the entire stadium for an NHL game.

Keep working on that brain cell. Apparently it needs more time.

My point exactly. You decried fighting because "it spilled into the stands" so you cannot equate fighting in the NHL to fighting in the NBA.

1) It's accepted in the NHL
2) It cannot, will not, does not spill into the stands of an NHL rink.

So, I tell you again, stop using the Knicks/Nuggets brawl as an example of why fighting in the NHL should be removed.

It's part of the game, always has been. And it's been accepted by its players, fans, officials and management. And an idiot like you is not going to change that.

Dude, it takes a blink of an eye to refute each of your arguments.

First of all, my responses have shifted because you've shifted your "argument" from what's wrong with fighting that goes into the stands to fighting in the NHL is good because it doesn't go into the stands.

Let's go really slowly so you can try to keep up. In the NHL, you see that barrier that keeps the puck from flying into the stands? That keeps the fights from going into the stands. Comprende?

And saying the NHL has accepted fighting, so it's OK, is flat-out moronic.

One league deals with the problem; the other doesn't. I'll let you puzzle out which is which.

The last NHL fight that went into the stands happened in the 1970s. Since then, there have been plenty of heated, hate-filled rivalries (Avs-Red Wings comes to mind). If the Rangers and Bruins could go up into the stands, why didn't the Avs and Red Wings?

Barrier. A-round. Stands.

Not sure why this is difficult.

Not difficult to understand. I'm just pointing out that if teams really wanted to fight each other in the stands, the glass isn't that tough to take down.

 

[hockeybeat]

Well, the California Golden Seals/Cleveland Barons went away, being melted into the Minnesota North Stars.

That happened in the 1970s, correct?

When did the Expos become the Nationals? Two seaons ago.

Dye, feel free to pull another lame argument out of your ass.

 

[DyePack]

Okay Dye, then where do you draw the comparison between fighting in the NBA and fighting in the NHL? What does one have to do with the other when we all know fighting never spills into the stands during an NHL game?

Don't use this Knicks/Nuggets brawl to call for an end to fighting in the NHL. It's not even close to the same thing.

There's a barrier around the entire stadium for an NHL game.

Keep working on that brain cell. Apparently it needs more time.

My point exactly. You decried fighting because "it spilled into the stands" so you cannot equate fighting in the NHL to fighting in the NBA.

1) It's accepted in the NHL
2) It cannot, will not, does not spill into the stands of an NHL rink.

So, I tell you again, stop using the Knicks/Nuggets brawl as an example of why fighting in the NHL should be removed.

It's part of the game, always has been. And it's been accepted by its players, fans, officials and management. And an idiot like you is not going to change that.

Dude, it takes a blink of an eye to refute each of your arguments.

First of all, my responses have shifted because you've shifted your "argument" from what's wrong with fighting that goes into the stands to fighting in the NHL is good because it doesn't go into the stands.

Let's go really slowly so you can try to keep up. In the NHL, you see that barrier that keeps the puck from flying into the stands? That keeps the fights from going into the stands. Comprende?

And saying the NHL has accepted fighting, so it's OK, is flat-out moronic.

One league deals with the problem; the other doesn't. I'll let you puzzle out which is which.

It's only a problem if it's not a) accepted or b) part of the game or c) in the rules.

And fighting in hockey is a) accepted - by EVERYONE involved b) part of the game and c) well within the rules.

So, simple math: It's not a "problem" in hockey.

The only problems are people like you, who don't understand the game, have never liked the game to begin with and have never played the game (or, more likely ANY game at all), so you don't understand passion, physical contact nor cheap shots (outside of the verbal ones you toss from time to time) in sports.

Also, let me understand this: You say if there wasn't a barrier in hockey, fighting would undoubtedly spill into the stands?

And, if you think hockey could be played without a barrier, you're a bigger idiot than I first thought.

Geez, you are a ****tard.

The barrier keeps the fights from going into the stands. I imagine the NBA would have a lot less trouble with fights going into the crowd if it had a barrier around the entire court.

 

[BYH]

This thread sets up the rest of the season nicely.

No horse in this race, but it should be pointed out that while Dye didn't help his argument by saying the NHL has dropped teams, he's absolutely right about the lack of franchise continuity. Nearly half the franchises either didn't exist 15 years ago or were located in different cities.

Ottawa
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
Carolina (**** you Karmanos)
Florida
Nashville
Columbus
Minnesota
Colorado (Quebec)
Anaheim
Dallas (Minnesota)
Phoenix (Winnipeg)

That doesn't even count the teams that have gone bankrupt (Buffalo), suffered thru the ignobility of several inept owners (Islanders) or threatened to move only to find no one wants them (Devils, Penguins). The league is absolutely unsteady, and it's got no one to blame but itself. **** you Bettman, you Kevin Spacey wannabe.

 

[beefncheddar]

At the same time, if you set the bar at 5 years, I'm guessing the NBA has had more moves.

 

[DyePack]

Defunct and relocated teams: Atlanta Flames • California/Oakland Golden Seals • Cleveland Barons • Colorado Rockies • Hamilton Tigers • Hartford Whalers • Kansas City Scouts • Minnesota North Stars • Montreal Maroons • Montreal Wanderers • New York/Brooklyn Americans • Ottawa Senators (original) • Philadelphia Quakers • Pittsburgh Pirates • Quebec Bulldogs • Quebec Nordiques • St. Louis Eagles • Winnipeg Jets

 

[hockeybeat]

Okay Dye, then where do you draw the comparison between fighting in the NBA and fighting in the NHL? What does one have to do with the other when we all know fighting never spills into the stands during an NHL game?

Don't use this Knicks/Nuggets brawl to call for an end to fighting in the NHL. It's not even close to the same thing.

There's a barrier around the entire stadium for an NHL game.

Keep working on that brain cell. Apparently it needs more time.

My point exactly. You decried fighting because "it spilled into the stands" so you cannot equate fighting in the NHL to fighting in the NBA.

1) It's accepted in the NHL
2) It cannot, will not, does not spill into the stands of an NHL rink.

So, I tell you again, stop using the Knicks/Nuggets brawl as an example of why fighting in the NHL should be removed.

It's part of the game, always has been. And it's been accepted by its players, fans, officials and management. And an idiot like you is not going to change that.

Dude, it takes a blink of an eye to refute each of your arguments.

First of all, my responses have shifted because you've shifted your "argument" from what's wrong with fighting that goes into the stands to fighting in the NHL is good because it doesn't go into the stands.

Let's go really slowly so you can try to keep up. In the NHL, you see that barrier that keeps the puck from flying into the stands? That keeps the fights from going into the stands. Comprende?

And saying the NHL has accepted fighting, so it's OK, is flat-out moronic.

One league deals with the problem; the other doesn't. I'll let you puzzle out which is which.

It's only a problem if it's not a) accepted or b) part of the game or c) in the rules.

And fighting in hockey is a) accepted - by EVERYONE involved b) part of the game and c) well within the rules.

So, simple math: It's not a "problem" in hockey.

The only problems are people like you, who don't understand the game, have never liked the game to begin with and have never played the game (or, more likely ANY game at all), so you don't understand passion, physical contact nor cheap shots (outside of the verbal ones you toss from time to time) in sports.

Also, let me understand this: You say if there wasn't a barrier in hockey, fighting would undoubtedly spill into the stands?

And, if you think hockey could be played without a barrier, you're a bigger idiot than I first thought.

Geez, you are a ****tard.

The barrier keeps the fights from going into the stands. I imagine the NBA would have a lot less trouble with fights going into the crowd if it had a barrier around the entire court.

How come NHL fights are shorter than NBA ones, and less nasty? It's not just the barrier. Look at tonight's fight. The teams ran from the baseline to center court throwing punches and (presumably) talking ****. A NHL fight takes, on average, sixty seconds. It took Nuggets-Knicks a good ten minutes before relative peace was restored.

 

[SoSueMe]

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/toc/nba/nbadefunct.html

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/toc/mlb/mlbdefunct.html

Nice try Dye.

Also, yes, I've agreed with you since the beginning, the barrier keeps the fights from spilling into the stands which MAKES IT MORE ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE ONLY THOSE IN THE GAME ARE INVOLVED and in danger, if you consider it that.

 

[beefncheddar]

Defunct and relocated teams: Atlanta Flames • California/Oakland Golden Seals • Cleveland Barons • Colorado Rockies • Hamilton Tigers • Hartford Whalers • Kansas City Scouts • Minnesota North Stars • Montreal Maroons • Montreal Wanderers • New York/Brooklyn Americans • Ottawa Senators (original) • Philadelphia Quakers • Pittsburgh Pirates • Quebec Bulldogs • Quebec Nordiques • St. Louis Eagles • Winnipeg Jets

Hell, why don't you just go back 75 years?

 

[beefncheddar]

And if littleNate was a problem, why didn't somebody just punt his ass 12 rows up?