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Reality News online has interviews with the contestants, analysis, etc. I haven't read it all yet, just the recap of the final, which was pretty solid, as usual.

http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl

From the strategy story there by Jeffrey Sadow:

It wasn’t that Russell had a bad strategy, but that he just did not have the talent to pull it off successfully.

In the pantheon of Survivor great performances – of which for all his groveling protestations, his will not qualify – his strategy resembled that of one of the greatest, Brian’s, who made it into the Reality TV Hall of Fame with his play. In that season, Brian conceptualized himself as the center of a wheel and set up three to four alliances that emanated out in spokes. He made deals with each of these players, independently of the others, and hid them so cleverly that none of them knew until it was over that they existed; each thought he was Brian’s preferred partner until the end.

Even more beautifully, the way Brian maintained it was to envision and carry out a pecking order of eliminations that cast more blame on the others than on him, so he maximized his chances of retaining jury votes not lost out of scorn for his betrayal. He never presented himself as the front man but as part of a unit as he sluiced off allies until he manipulated his way in front of the jury with his preferred match. It was just enough to win.

Russell appears to have attempted something similar, but there were two major differences in how he actually executed this strategy. First, his judgment about people was much worse leading to a series of ham-handed actions. From the start, he picked allies that mostly turned inconvenient quickly.
 
More from Sadow:

The greats in the game don’t need affirmation or articulation of their abilities as they played their way through; their goal was for them alone to know what they were doing and everybody else to be in the dark.

Russell appeared incapable of mastering this crucial tactic. Winners who act gracefully throughout are viewed with a sense of panache by members of the jury; those who crow about themselves are seen merely as boorish and of questionable character. It takes only modest skill to have people know you eliminated them and thereby upset at you; it takes great skill to have them come to realize you eliminated them and have them admire you for that.
 
I've enjoyed reading Probst's posts - they usually offer some insight on stuff (most of the challenges take between 15-30 minutes to complete - the coconut challenge last week though took four hours) - I agree that CBS edited the show to highlight Russell - but I also think they left out how others really felt about him. He thought he was carrying everyone else to the final - they were letting him carry them to the finals well aware that he wouldn't win a final tribal council. When Jenna won in the Amazon doing little in comparison to some guy (Matthew?) who was a beast. Jenna won convincingly because nobody could stand the guy.
I wonder what the record is in final TCs for people who win the final immunity challenge. I'm not sure it's even .500. Hatch, Jenna, Tina, Ethan, Natalie all were "taken" to the final TC an won and that's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
 
Simon_Cowbell said:
JackReacher said:
Are you more bitter that people are defending Russell or that such a nice, young fella like Brett was kinda lied to (but not really) by that meanie Russell?
Russell had NO reason to say that to Brett.

Not a single tactical reason....

The only thing that could have resulted from that comment ... would be fewer votes from the jury

Yeah he did. He was trying to find a way in to the final three on the contingency that he lost the last challenge. Now, I think it's highly unlikely Brett would have taken him, but that was Russell scrambling just in case.

I thought Russell did as good a job covering his tracks with regard to that promise as he could have. He told Brett he was having serious doubts about living up to it. Had he been that honest with Jaison (really the only other person who got the ax who he could have been honest with), Russell would likely have had another vote in his favor.

And what did Russell do to taunt Brett? I didn't see him taunt anyone until after Brett was gone and it was just the final three.
 
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digger said:
Winners who act gracefully throughout are viewed with a sense of panache by members of the jury; those who crow about themselves are seen merely as boorish and of questionable character. It takes only modest skill to have people know you eliminated them and thereby upset at you; it takes great skill to have them come to realize you eliminated them and have them admire you for that.[/i]


The only person who maybe fits this is Tom from Palau.

Hatch was an arrogant ****.
Brian was an arrogant ****.
Todd was an arrogant ****.


There's no skill involved in making them admire you in eliminating them. None. It comes down to whether the person put on that island with you is bitter by nature or not.

John got ****ed over by Russell harder than just about anyone else on the entire show, but John isn't a moron. In his pre-final tribal video, he pretty much 100% predicted how everyone was going to act during questioning and he was right. Those people honestly sat around at Ponderosa truly believing in their minds that they deserved to be in the final three and Russell, Natalie and Mick didn't.

When those people can honestly sit there and think that, there's no amount of reasoning, preparation or humility that Russell could have displayed to win the game. None. The people on that jury were just too butthurt about elimination to care about a single other aspect of Survivor.
 
DanOregon said:
I've enjoyed reading Probst's posts - they usually offer some insight on stuff (most of the challenges take between 15-30 minutes to complete - the coconut challenge last week though took four hours) - I agree that CBS edited the show to highlight Russell - but I also think they left out how others really felt about him. He thought he was carrying everyone else to the final - they were letting him carry them to the finals well aware that he wouldn't win a final tribal council. When Jenna won in the Amazon doing little in comparison to some guy (Matthew?) who was a beast. Jenna won convincingly because nobody could stand the guy.
I wonder what the record is in final TCs for people who win the final immunity challenge. I'm not sure it's even .500. Hatch, Jenna, Tina, Ethan, Natalie all were "taken" to the final TC an won and that's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.


Matthew ****ed himself over hard by opening the final tribal by saying he was completely and totally honest the whole game, then admitting in his closing statement that he lied the entire time.

The situation really isn't that comparable because Matthew completely and totally **** the bed when it mattered most.
 
Finally watched it.
Exact opposite of China.
In China, I thought Amanda would win because Todd was a prick. However, they gave it to Todd because they thought he was more active and Amanda rode his coattails.
This time they penalized Russell for being the most active in the final alliance and rewarded Natalie for riding his coattails.
 
The mention of the Survivor Thailand winner in one of the previous posts just sent me across the internet to download that season. Turns out, I found the whole series (minus the last two seasons.) The sad thing: I fully intend on watching most of them.
 
One of the things I like best about Survivor is that the conditions and situations make it difficult for people to keep their guard up - the human behavior they show is for the most part pretty genuine as opposed to most other reality shows.
People bond with people they think they have something in common with, whether its faith, geography, education level, age, looks etc.
 
Pilot said:
Simon_Cowbell said:
JackReacher said:
Are you more bitter that people are defending Russell or that such a nice, young fella like Brett was kinda lied to (but not really) by that meanie Russell?
Russell had NO reason to say that to Brett.

Not a single tactical reason....

The only thing that could have resulted from that comment ... would be fewer votes from the jury

Yeah he did. He was trying to find a way in to the final three on the contingency that he lost the last challenge.
No.

This conversation was AFTER the last challenge.

Had ZERO tactical value.
 
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JackReacher said:
I think you should call your Congressman, Simon.
No, the Congressman got it right.

Eliminated an incomplete player.
 
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Yeah. I agree that Russell didn't deserve it. To me, he just shot his mouth off too much. Sure, he played a great game. Just not great enough.
 
I wonder how much of a prick Russell was during the middle of the season but they didn't show that because they wanted people to like him. It's all about the editing.
 
Left on the cutting room floor:
Russell dropping n-bombs
Russell saying he's jealous of Natalie's bikini
Russell using Dave Ball's pony tail to blow his nose.
Russell taking Shambo to the bathroom with him using her mullet to wipe his ass.
 
Inky_Wretch said:
Zeke12 said:
What you're calling the social aspect of the game is really just losers ignoring the game entirely.

Natalie went along with every move that Russell made.

And that, obviously, was a smart strategy since she got the cash.

This doesn't follow.

Even if you think Russell didn't "deserve" to win because he was a ****, Natalie won just by being not-Russell.

Simply not being the other guy cannot be called a strategy.
 
Sure it can.

Strategy 1: Play like Russell did: loud, obnoxious, forceful, etc...
Strategy 2: Decide that Strategy 1 won't work and do the opposite.

Russell chose 1. Natalie chose 2. Natalie won.
 
Natalie won strictly because the jury voted against Russell, not FOR her. She didn't actually DO a single thing to deserve the money, she just showed up.

You can say it was her "strategy" but that's just bull because, unless you can show me a clip where she says "I'm aligning myself with Russell because he's an ass and I know I'll beat him in a final jury" then that leads me to believe that she just went with the flow from Day One and, thanks to Eric's speech, became a millionaire by default.
 
No, it really can't. At best it can be called a tactic.

And it's reactionary, at that. It cannot be replicated. It is only defined in opposition.
 

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