It's been 24 hours, and bin Laden is still dead

[secretariat]

And I'm still happy about it. How about y'all?

Also still dead:

 

[fossywriter8]

One of the few presidential addresses I looked forward to viewing.

 

[DanOregon]

Really, I've been listening to a bunch of talk radio callers who apparently have better sources than Obama does.

 

[HanSenSE]

Abe Vigoda and yadda yadda yadda.

 

[poindexter]

I don't get it. This board is chock full of people who are against the death penalty. Can't play god, yadda yadda yadda. Yet this guy gets wiped out, and not a peep. Seems hypocritical to me. Is it the number? If you kill three thousand, you deserve to die, but if you kill one or two, you don't? What am I missing?

 

[britwrit]

I don't get it. This board is chock full of people who are against the death penalty. Can't play god, yadda yadda yadda. Yet this guy gets wiped out, and not a peep. Seems hypocritical to me. Is it the number? If you kill three thousand, you deserve to die, but if you kill one or two, you don't? What am I missing?

Because everything is going to magically revert back to how it was on September 10, 2001. Why be a spoilsport?

Seriously, I'll be the token strawman liberal and say I'm against this extrajudicial killing. It demeans America and everything we're supposed to stand for. Still... what the heck... we passed the moral point of no return a long time ago. Why spill tears now? And for what it's worth, this killing might be the cover to start pulling out of the AfPak.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I don't get it. This board is chock full of people who are against the death penalty. Can't play god, yadda yadda yadda. Yet this guy gets wiped out, and not a peep. Seems hypocritical to me. Is it the number? If you kill three thousand, you deserve to die, but if you kill one or two, you don't? What am I missing?

"Not a peep"?

Au contraire.

You are missing the sequence in the initial Bin Laden thread where this very topic was discussed somewhat in-depth. I think it's around page 40-41 or so.

The Cliff Notes version is that I said, as a staunch anti-capital punishment person, that I'm OK with how this went down because they expected and received resistance, and had to return fire. The idea I got from the coverage was that, had he surrendered, the SEALs would have taken him alive. Others were skeptical about that (and so am I, but that's what was said).

From a tactical standpoint, I am very pleased that our intelligence and military finally got their man. As a human, I sadly realize that nothing brings back 3,000 people, two towers, and our sense of security, including his death. That's the same hollow feeling I fight whenever "justice" is done, whether it is by lethal injection or life in prison. I never feel satiated.

Today, I've been thinking about how the bogeyman of our era, once confronted face-to-face instead of sending impressionable young men on suicide missions, was killed in his mansion by a firefight in which not one of our men was killed. Fraud is the word that comes to mind.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

What am I missing?

Ball's been teed up, everyone ...

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I liked Kimmel's joke. "Buried at sea actually means dumped in the ocean."

 

[Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!]

I don't get it. This board is chock full of people who are against the death penalty. Can't play god, yadda yadda yadda. Yet this guy gets wiped out, and not a peep. Seems hypocritical to me. Is it the number? If you kill three thousand, you deserve to die, but if you kill one or two, you don't? What am I missing?

"Not a peep"?

Au contraire.

You are missing the sequence in the initial Bin Laden thread where this very topic was discussed somewhat in-depth. I think it's around page 40-41 or so.

The Cliff Notes version is that I said, as a staunch anti-capital punishment person, that I'm OK with how this went down because they expected and received resistance, and had to return fire. The idea I got from the coverage was that, had he surrendered, the SEALs would have taken him alive. Others were skeptical about that (and so am I, but that's what was said).

From a tactical standpoint, I am very pleased that our intelligence and military finally got their man. As a human, I sadly realize that nothing brings back 3,000 people, two towers, and our sense of security, including his death. That's the same hollow feeling I fight whenever "justice" is done, whether it is by lethal injection or life in prison. I never feel satiated.

Today, I've been thinking about how the bogeyman of our era, once confronted face-to-face instead of sending impressionable young men on suicide missions, was killed in his mansion by a firefight in which not one of our men was killed. Fraud is the word that comes to mind.

Except now they are saying OBL may not have had a gun, muchless fired.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html


For what it's worth I think your stance here is completely hypocritical (said the guy who is a HUGE supporter of the death penalty).

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I don't care if they shot him in the back as he ran away. I don't care if they executed him as his family watched.

 

[Armchair_QB]

This wasn't an execution, this wasn't an assassination and it certainly wasn't murder.

Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States of America, as such he was a legitimate military target. That compound was essentially a theater of war.

 

[Johnny Dangerously]

If the attack of conscience some are expressing is simply a theoretical exercise, an academic study removed from any sense of guilt, that's one thing. If Americans are upset about something hypocritically immoral being done in their name or on their behalf or by their country, well, stay under the covers and never get out of bed. Never go to a library. Never read history. Life will be too difficult otherwise.

Your country has committed greater sins. Your country looks the other way to allow worse, multiplied many times over, compounded daily and irreversibly permanent in many cases.

This one's not subtle. It gets harder when you follow the money and connect the dots for that TV show that made you laugh, or that snack you crave, or that diamond you bought, or that cheap pair of shoes, or the expensive one, or the meal you just ate. And don't stop to consider how much less certain borders mean every day.

This one's easy.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I don't feel like I need specific details. He's dead and that's good enough for me...

 

[Dick Whitman]

I don't get it. This board is chock full of people who are against the death penalty. Can't play god, yadda yadda yadda. Yet this guy gets wiped out, and not a peep. Seems hypocritical to me. Is it the number? If you kill three thousand, you deserve to die, but if you kill one or two, you don't? What am I missing?

"Not a peep"?

Au contraire.

You are missing the sequence in the initial Bin Laden thread where this very topic was discussed somewhat in-depth. I think it's around page 40-41 or so.

The Cliff Notes version is that I said, as a staunch anti-capital punishment person, that I'm OK with how this went down because they expected and received resistance, and had to return fire. The idea I got from the coverage was that, had he surrendered, the SEALs would have taken him alive. Others were skeptical about that (and so am I, but that's what was said).

From a tactical standpoint, I am very pleased that our intelligence and military finally got their man. As a human, I sadly realize that nothing brings back 3,000 people, two towers, and our sense of security, including his death. That's the same hollow feeling I fight whenever "justice" is done, whether it is by lethal injection or life in prison. I never feel satiated.

Today, I've been thinking about how the bogeyman of our era, once confronted face-to-face instead of sending impressionable young men on suicide missions, was killed in his mansion by a firefight in which not one of our men was killed. Fraud is the word that comes to mind.

Except now they are saying OBL may not have had a gun, muchless fired.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html


For what it's worth I think your stance here is completely hypocritical (said the guy who is a HUGE supporter of the death penalty).

What is hypocritical? I don't think I've been able to come to a fully enough formed interpretation here to be able to even be called "hypocritical."

I mean, was it an act of war or a crime? There's a start right here.

I understand that in this day and age, the "hypocrite" accusation is always the first arrow removed from the weaponry. But the fact is that there are distinctions to be made between situations that are legitimate. Executing Osama bin Laden in the theater of war is different than executing an indigent U.S. citizen in a lethal injection chamber. Nothing "hypocritical" about that.

 

[Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!]

I don't get it. This board is chock full of people who are against the death penalty. Can't play god, yadda yadda yadda. Yet this guy gets wiped out, and not a peep. Seems hypocritical to me. Is it the number? If you kill three thousand, you deserve to die, but if you kill one or two, you don't? What am I missing?

"Not a peep"?

Au contraire.

You are missing the sequence in the initial Bin Laden thread where this very topic was discussed somewhat in-depth. I think it's around page 40-41 or so.

The Cliff Notes version is that I said, as a staunch anti-capital punishment person, that I'm OK with how this went down because they expected and received resistance, and had to return fire. The idea I got from the coverage was that, had he surrendered, the SEALs would have taken him alive. Others were skeptical about that (and so am I, but that's what was said).

From a tactical standpoint, I am very pleased that our intelligence and military finally got their man. As a human, I sadly realize that nothing brings back 3,000 people, two towers, and our sense of security, including his death. That's the same hollow feeling I fight whenever "justice" is done, whether it is by lethal injection or life in prison. I never feel satiated.

Today, I've been thinking about how the bogeyman of our era, once confronted face-to-face instead of sending impressionable young men on suicide missions, was killed in his mansion by a firefight in which not one of our men was killed. Fraud is the word that comes to mind.

Except now they are saying OBL may not have had a gun, muchless fired.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html


For what it's worth I think your stance here is completely hypocritical (said the guy who is a HUGE supporter of the death penalty).

What is hypocritical? I don't think I've been able to come to a fully enough formed interpretation here to be able to even be called "hypocritical."

I mean, was it an act of war or a crime? There's a start right here.

I understand that in this day and age, the "hypocrite" accusation is always the first arrow removed from the weaponry. But the fact is that there are distinctions to be made between situations that are legitimate. Executing Osama bin Laden in the theater of war is different than executing an indigent U.S. citizen in a lethal injection chamber. Nothing "hypocritical" about that.

I'm not calling you out on the matter of OBL's death. I'm calling you out on your support for it.
You support one death - in the face of war - but not the other?
Again (and this is the last time I'll post it) I support how OBL was "executed" (your word not mine) .
But OBL was a mastermind... He had no direct hand in the killing of Americans, like Charles Manson and some of the Nazi higher ups. These guys never actually, physically killled anyone. No doubt they were ultimately responsible and deserving of death. Manson got a death sentence, which was later commuted when California abolished the death penalty.

OBL, while responsible for the death of thousands, is so much different from Ted Bundy, John W. Gacy and the hordes of other slime who actually, physically tortured and killed people.
OBL's believed he was fighting a war. Bundy and Gacy were just sadistic ****tards.
They all deserve(d) to die.

So yeah, your support of OBL's death seems to be a 180 degrees from your death penalty stance.

 

[Oggiedoggie]

Bin Laden resisted arrest and the SEALs are not trained to use Tasers.

 

[YGBFKM]

Does Marvin Gaye know about this?

 

[RickStain]

There's a distinction to be made between wartime assassinations and death as a part of the justice system. You may find it to be a distinction without difference, but others' mileage may vary.

 

[secretariat]

Does Marvin Gaye know about this?