Indefensible.

[hockeybeat]

Vetoing a children's health care bill?

Words fail me.


http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071003/NEWS01/71003016/1004/living

2007 Washington Post Poll

 

[93Devil]

Has a politician from Texas ever done a decent job on a national stage?

 

[imjustagirl2]

A.) HB, to me his concerns are valid. It even says so in your graphic you posted. If the money is going to people who can afford health care on their own, and they're switching to the government funded one just to save money...well then **** them.

B.) Don't just read 'He vetoed a child's health care bill' and throw it up here for impact.

 

[Pastor]

IJAG, with the rising costs of health care, the increase of inflation, the rising costs of college tuitions, receiving a break in one of the family's bill should be exactly up the Republican's alley. Why have tax cuts if they aren't to spur the economy. Thus, cutting out some health bills for children should be equivalent.

Also, there is the idea that the rising cost of health care will cause those families that used to be able to afford it to longer be able to do so.

 

[imjustagirl2]

IJAG, with the rising costs of health care, the increase of inflation, the rising costs of college tuitions, receiving a break in one of the family's bill should be exactly up the Republican's alley. Why have tax cuts if they aren't to spur the economy. Thus, cutting out some health bills for children should be equivalent.

Also, there is the idea that the rising cost of health care will cause those families that used to be able to afford it to longer be able to do so.

I see both those points. And remember, I don't really follow politics, so I might say really stupid things here...but can you veto something based on what's expected? If right now it would only take $5 billion or whatever to cover those that need to be covered, why put forth $35 billion?

 

[markvid]

I want to see what else was tacked on to that bill (road projects, pork, etc) before I make a decision.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

I want to see what else was tacked on to that bill (road projects, pork, etc) before I make a decision.

The president said he vetoed it, not for cost, and not because there was pork in the bill -- there wasn't -- but for purely ideological reasons, because he thought the SCHIP program was a backdoor way to "sociialism" and "socialized medicine." Neither of which he could define without index cards and a net, I believe.
And IJAG, GET more informed. This country is not meant to be run on automatic pilot. If the past seven years of horrors have proven anything, they've proven that.

 

[heyabbott]

Has a politician from Texas ever done a decent job on a national stage?

All The Way with LBJ

 

[JR]

Well, Paul Krugman is not amused.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/opinion/05krugman.html?em&ex=1191729600&en=fb619e4d74a10758&ei=5087%0A

What’s happening, presumably, is that modern movement conservatism attracts a certain personality type. If you identify with the downtrodden, even a little, you don’t belong. If you think ridicule is an appropriate response to other peoples’ woes, you fit right in.

And Republican disillusionment with Mr. Bush does not appear to signal any change in that regard. On the contrary, the leading candidates for the Republican nomination have gone out of their way to condemn “socialism,” which is G.O.P.-speak for any attempt to help the less fortunate.

So once again, if you’re poor or you’re sick or you don’t have health insurance, remember this: these people think your problems are funny.

 

[imjustagirl2]

And IJAG, GET more informed. This country is not meant to be run on automatic pilot. If the past seven years of horrors have proven anything, they've proven that.

Rather not. But thanks!

 

[HejiraHenry]

Has a politician from Texas ever done a decent job on a national stage?

Jeez, hard to imagine what angle you're coming from.

Seems to me if you think W is doing a bad job, then you'd be a big fan of LBJ – free spender, full of bull****, set us up nicely for surrender in an unpopular war.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Has a politician from Texas ever done a decent job on a national stage?

All The Way with LBJ

Plant those seeds for 20% inflation, you crude old pig.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

If more than half of the Republicans in the Senate seem to think it's ok, and Orrin Hatch, not exactly kin with Ted Kennedy, blasts Bush for being misinformed and off his ****ing rocker for vetoing the bill, chances are this dip**** president just ****ed up again. But what does he care? If the poor just didn't get sick the world would be a better place.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Has a politician from Texas ever done a decent job on a national stage?

Jeez, hard to imagine what angle you're coming from.

Seems to me if you think W is doing a bad job, then you'd be a big fan of LBJ – free spender, full of bull****, set us up nicely for surrender in an unpopular war.

Yes, another gentleman who thinks 50K Americans, hundreds of thousands of Asians, more bombs than were dropped on WWII, wasn't enough.
And, while I have no brief for a lot of what LBJ did. This speech alone, and the laws that followed from it...

http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/johnson.htm

..puts him on several dozen levels higher than the one on which the incumbent currently squats, playing with his toes.

 

[zeke12]

Has a politician from Texas ever done a decent job on a national stage?

Jeez, hard to imagine what angle you're coming from.

Seems to me if you think W is doing a bad job, then you'd be a big fan of LBJ – free spender, full of bull****, set us up nicely for surrender in an unpopular war.

Because Bush has been a model leader of smaller government and tight spending.

He spends like a drunken sailor. He just doesn't want to spend money on health care for poor children.

Those are the facts, and they are not in question. Please at least adjust your talking points.

 

[wickedwritah]

If more than half of the Republicans in the Senate seem to think it's ok, and Orrin Hatch, not exactly kin with Ted Kennedy, blasts Bush for being misinformed and off his ****ing rocker for vetoing the bill, chances are this dip**** president just ****ed up again. But what does he care? If the poor just didn't get sick the world would be a better place.

So if half the GOP thinks it's OK, they'll override the veto, right?

 

[Flying Headbutt]

The Senate has enough votes to override the veto. The House is where it gets tricky. But I guess they didn't lose enough seats last year, at least in their minds.

 

[zeke12]

The Senate should have 69 votes to override, as Biden and Obama both missed the original vote which went 67-29.

The House is a mess, but I hope any fricking Congressman who votes against gets multiple TV ads about that vote run in his or her district when they run for reelection.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

If more than half of the Republicans in the Senate seem to think it's ok, and Orrin Hatch, not exactly kin with Ted Kennedy, blasts Bush for being misinformed and off his ****ing rocker for vetoing the bill, chances are this dip**** president just ****ed up again. But what does he care? If the poor just didn't get sick the world would be a better place.

He doesn't give a rat's ass. He's invulnerable, other than to impeachment, for which the current congress doesn't have the nerve. Can't be touched. So he's on a free roll.

Makes you feel confident about quality of life, doesn't it?

 

[slappy4428]

Bush/GOP: War, good; affordable health care for little children so mommys and daddys don't go bankrupt, bad.