If it bleeds, it leads!

[Joe Williams]

Had a discussion the other night with a veteran scribe, and we both came to the rather chilling conclusion that, some day sooner rather than later, we're going to see and hear of a newsroom or newspaper executive suite that gets riddled by gunfire from some disgruntled employee.

Don't get us wrong, we're as horrified by the thought as anyone. But can management continue to cut and slash and squash and crush without some blowback? I know there was the guy at the Miami Herald sometime last year who went bananas and created a hostage situation. The next (il)logical step would be for a displaced (bought out or laid off) newsperson to go postal. It doesn't even have to be someone who has gotten the ax. It could be someone living every day in fear that he or she will be next.

Sorry if raising the issue scares or troubles anyone here, but let's get real, this is a lot of workplace trauma to be dumping on a passionate, driven, sometimes crazed-in-normal-times bunch of employees with limited alternate job options. Odds are that someone somewhere is gonna snap, no? If it's happening on campuses, it's only a matter of time before it happens in newspaper headquarters. I can already imagine the helicopter video on CNN and colleague sound bites that "He was such a quiet copy editor..."

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Had a discussion the other night with a veteran scribe, and we both came to the rather chilling conclusion that, some day sooner rather than later, we're going to see and hear of a newsroom or newspaper executive suite that gets riddled by gunfire from some disgruntled employee.

Don't get us wrong, we're as horrified by the thought as anyone. But can management continue to cut and slash and squash and crush without some blowback? I know there was the guy at the Miami Herald sometime last year who went bananas and created a hostage situation. The next (il)logical step would be for a displaced (bought out or laid off) newsperson to go postal. It doesn't even have to be someone who has gotten the ax. It could be someone living every day in fear that he or she will be next.

Sorry if raising the issue scares or troubles anyone here, but let's get real, this is a lot of workplace trauma to be dumping on a passionate, driven, sometimes crazed-in-normal-times bunch of employees with limited alternate job options. Odds are that someone somewhere is gonna snap, no? If it's happening on campuses, it's only a matter of time before it happens in newspaper headquarters. I can already imagine the helicopter video on CNN and colleague sound bites that "He was such a quiet copy editor..."

Oh, it's definitely on the horizon.

When the buyouts morph into layoffs, look out.

And the security at our place is in no position to head something like that off.

 

[jfs1000]

My guess would be a JRC paper. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

It is kind of dark to think about it, though the way people are treated and paid relative to education and intelligence level probably creates a tremendous amount of stress, anger and social alienation that I would say the profile fits.

Why are we treated like pond scum? Our bosses hate us, the readers hate us, yet, if we don't work in a snowstorm and get the paper out everyone is complaining about not having a paper.

 

[Barsuk]

Should we renamed the JTO board the "Doom and Gloom" board? It's getting pretty depressing over here.

RE: the topic of this thread, I've always thought this would happen sooner or later. It's bound to. And judging by the mood around here lately, I would probably bet on sooner.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

The worst-paying profession in the world . . .

 

[Small Town Guy]

Lots of other professions have had many more layoffs - car industry, factories, record companies, etc., etc., - and there hasn't been a rash of workplace shootings at those places. Anyone anywhere can snap, but I don't think it's more likely to happen at a newspaper now just because the industry's going through a bad time.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

The worst-paying profession in the world . . .

I dunno about that.... is that backed up with facts?

 

[Pete Incaviglia]

Lots of other professions have had many more layoffs - car industry, factories, record companies, etc., etc., - and there hasn't been a rash of workplace shootings at those places. Anyone anywhere can snap, but I don't think it's more likely to happen at a newspaper now just because the industry's going through a bad time.

A laid of factory worker brought a gun to his plant the day after he was given a pink slip in my hometown. Nothing happened. He was wrestled to the ground before he could shoot anyone.

As for building security. I now have to go through two locked doors via the "employees only" entrance to get my office. It used to be one.

The main office is open 9-5, but to get to the newsroom it's two more lock-and-key doors. And at night, from the front, it's three locked doors.

Management told us it's for protection from nutty citizens.

 

[Small Town Guy]

Lots of other professions have had many more layoffs - car industry, factories, record companies, etc., etc., - and there hasn't been a rash of workplace shootings at those places. Anyone anywhere can snap, but I don't think it's more likely to happen at a newspaper now just because the industry's going through a bad time.

A laid of factory worker brought a gun to his plant the day after he was given a pink slip in my hometown. Nothing happened. He was wrestled to the ground before he could shoot anyone.

As for building security. I now have to go through two locked doors via the "employees only" entrance to get my office. It used to be one.

The main office is open 9-5, but to get to the newsroom it's two more lock-and-key doors. And at night, from the front, it's three locked doors.

Management told us it's for protection from nutty citizens.

I'm not doubting it could/will happen at some point. I just don't think it has anything to do with the inherent challenges of journalism or the current state of newspapers. I've worked with lots of people who we used to joke would go postal one day. It had nothing to do with the fact we were getting paid poorly or were worried about downsizing. It was because the people gave off the nutty vibe. Could getting laid off maybe set someone like that off? Sure. But so could a breakup with a girlfriend, a fight with their landlord or a thousand other things.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Lots of other professions have had many more layoffs - car industry, factories, record companies, etc., etc., - and there hasn't been a rash of workplace shootings at those places. Anyone anywhere can snap, but I don't think it's more likely to happen at a newspaper now just because the industry's going through a bad time.

A laid of factory worker brought a gun to his plant the day after he was given a pink slip in my hometown. Nothing happened. He was wrestled to the ground before he could shoot anyone.

As for building security. I now have to go through two locked doors via the "employees only" entrance to get my office. It used to be one.

The main office is open 9-5, but to get to the newsroom it's two more lock-and-key doors. And at night, from the front, it's three locked doors.

Management told us it's for protection from nutty citizens.

I'm not doubting it could/will happen at some point. I just don't think it has anything to do with the inherent challenges of journalism or the current state of newspapers. I've worked with lots of people who we used to joke would go postal one day. It had nothing to do with the fact we were getting paid poorly or were worried about downsizing. It was because the people gave off the nutty vibe. Could getting laid off maybe set someone like that off? Sure. But so could a breakup with a girlfriend, a fight with their landlord or a thousand other things.

Most of the workplace violence spawns from a termination.

 

[Sxysprtswrtr]

Lots of other professions have had many more layoffs - car industry, factories, record companies, etc., etc., - and there hasn't been a rash of workplace shootings at those places. Anyone anywhere can snap, but I don't think it's more likely to happen at a newspaper now just because the industry's going through a bad time.

A laid of factory worker brought a gun to his plant the day after he was given a pink slip in my hometown. Nothing happened. He was wrestled to the ground before he could shoot anyone.

As for building security. I now have to go through two locked doors via the "employees only" entrance to get my office. It used to be one.

The main office is open 9-5, but to get to the newsroom it's two more lock-and-key doors. And at night, from the front, it's three locked doors.

Management told us it's for protection from nutty citizens.

OR, it's keeping the nutty citizens locked inside away from the normal ones.

 

[Small Town Guy]

Lots of other professions have had many more layoffs - car industry, factories, record companies, etc., etc., - and there hasn't been a rash of workplace shootings at those places. Anyone anywhere can snap, but I don't think it's more likely to happen at a newspaper now just because the industry's going through a bad time.

A laid of factory worker brought a gun to his plant the day after he was given a pink slip in my hometown. Nothing happened. He was wrestled to the ground before he could shoot anyone.

As for building security. I now have to go through two locked doors via the "employees only" entrance to get my office. It used to be one.

The main office is open 9-5, but to get to the newsroom it's two more lock-and-key doors. And at night, from the front, it's three locked doors.

Management told us it's for protection from nutty citizens.

I'm not doubting it could/will happen at some point. I just don't think it has anything to do with the inherent challenges of journalism or the current state of newspapers. I've worked with lots of people who we used to joke would go postal one day. It had nothing to do with the fact we were getting paid poorly or were worried about downsizing. It was because the people gave off the nutty vibe. Could getting laid off maybe set someone like that off? Sure. But so could a breakup with a girlfriend, a fight with their landlord or a thousand other things.

Most of the workplace violence spawns from a termination.

But how many millions of people have been fired? How many have returned to kill their boss or co-workers? Again, I can definitely see it happening at a newspaper. But only because it can happen anywhere. I guess I'm just questioning the idea that there's something special about the newspaper industry that would lead to an increase in newsroom shootings. That being said, I've of course thought of escape plans if one of my coworkers does snap someday. Unfortunately I'm in a back corner far away from the door.

And I still would be much more worried about a disgruntled reader or story subject coming in than a laid off employee.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Lots of other professions have had many more layoffs - car industry, factories, record companies, etc., etc., - and there hasn't been a rash of workplace shootings at those places. Anyone anywhere can snap, but I don't think it's more likely to happen at a newspaper now just because the industry's going through a bad time.

A laid of factory worker brought a gun to his plant the day after he was given a pink slip in my hometown. Nothing happened. He was wrestled to the ground before he could shoot anyone.

As for building security. I now have to go through two locked doors via the "employees only" entrance to get my office. It used to be one.

The main office is open 9-5, but to get to the newsroom it's two more lock-and-key doors. And at night, from the front, it's three locked doors.

Management told us it's for protection from nutty citizens.

I'm not doubting it could/will happen at some point. I just don't think it has anything to do with the inherent challenges of journalism or the current state of newspapers. I've worked with lots of people who we used to joke would go postal one day. It had nothing to do with the fact we were getting paid poorly or were worried about downsizing. It was because the people gave off the nutty vibe. Could getting laid off maybe set someone like that off? Sure. But so could a breakup with a girlfriend, a fight with their landlord or a thousand other things.

Most of the workplace violence spawns from a termination.

But how many millions of people have been fired? How many have returned to kill their boss or co-workers? Again, I can definitely see it happening at a newspaper. But only because it can happen anywhere. I guess I'm just questioning the idea that there's something special about the newspaper industry that would lead to an increase in newsroom shootings. That being said, I've of course thought of escape plans if one of my coworkers does snap someday. Unfortunately I'm in a back corner far away from the door.

And I still would be much more worried about a disgruntled reader or story subject coming in than a laid off employee.

I agree with you that it is sort of like a great white shark attack (plenty of pub for its relatively rare occurrence), but the climate has never been so ripe.

 

[Barsuk]

Could it happen anywhere? Sure. Is it more likely to happen in certain jobs/businesses than other? You better damn well believe it.

When you factor in the inherent stress in newspaper jobs, combined with the passion many folks in this business have for what they do (and in turn, the passion they have about being denied the necessary resources to do it well) I think newspapers could have a slightly higher chance of something awful like this happening than many other lines of work.

 

[Rex Harrison]

Based on plummeting stocks, I'm sure the shareholders would love to kill us for tarnishing their portfolios. Surely, it has nothing to do with the slash-and-burn techniques used for staffing.

 

[forever_town]

My guess would be a JRC paper. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

Ten bucks says it's a Gannett shop. And I'm not normally a betting man.

 

[da man]

A columnist at one of my previous stops was an ex-Marine who used a disarmed (I hope) hand grenade as a paperweight and said he had an AK-47 at home. He was disappointed that he didn't get to fight in Vietnam, and his eyes lit up at the thought of it. He once told me he got the best grade in his class in Silent Kill. Good guy, really, but he scared the **** out of me. I've been thinking for years that one day I'll turn on the TV and hear he walked into the newsroom with his AK and started firing.

 

[fishwrapper]

I'm an ex-Marine. Is that really what you think of people who have served this country?

 

[old_tony]

Strangely, I've been thinking about this on my own the last few weeks. I certainly would never do something like it, but someone else who had done to them what was done to me might. And it's being done to people in this industry daily now.

Journalists are a prideful bunch. And they're having their pride stomped on daily by cold and incompetent management. Someone is going to snap some day. And once the first one does, just like in the post office, there will be a rash of such incidents.

 

[Stone Cane]

this is a ridiculous thread