Hey, Record Companies, This Isn't Helping...

[zeke12]

Their new argument? Everyone who has copied CDs they purchased to their computer or IPOD is a criminal.

I try really hard to respect copyright law and I honestly don't mind paying for music. But **** like this leaves me with no sympathy for the recording industry at all.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html

 

[Mizzougrad96]

In the spirit of this thread, here are a couple websites where you can get music for free...

www.mininova.org

www.piratebay.org

 

[JayFarrar]

Oh man, I'm going to prison.
My nephew got an MP3 player for Christmas and I copied High School Musical to the computer, then moved the songs over to the player — a High School Musical-branded player.
He was very concerned about the FBI warning, but I told him it was okay since it was personal use, a concept I started to explain, but at 8 my nephew didn't much care.
I guess my concept of personal use was way off and I'm going to the big house.
Great.

 

[alleyallen]

As stupid as RIAA's argument is in this particular case, it's probably a good idea to get this into court and have a showdown to decide the issue. The article made a great point: the industry needs to evolve with changing technology, plain and simple.

 

[zeke12]

As stupid as RIAA's argument is in this particular case, it's probably a good idea to get this into court and have a showdown to decide the issue. The article made a great point: the industry needs to evolve with changing technology, plain and simple.

I really think that's short-term thinking disguised as long-term thinking, though.

Keep telling the world that they're all criminals, and, pretty soon, people aren't going to listen to you -- especially younger people who have never known anything other than copying their own music.

 

[I love puppies!]

I just think of all those years I spent paying $15.99 for a new CD -- even though CDs cost as much as tapes to produce -- liked a couple of songs and then never heard it again. Now they're paying the price for their own greed. Boo-****ing-hoo! Bunch of greedy cocksucking donkey****ers.

 

[beefncheddar]

I realize my logic is twisted, but here's how I'll play this one out:

-- I'm a criminal if I download music
-- I'm a criminal if I spend $10 on a CD and then transfer it.

So, why not just save the $10 and go straight to download?

 

[zeke12]

I realize my logic is twisted, but here's how I'll play this one out:

-- I'm a criminal if I download music
-- I'm a criminal if I spend $10 on a CD and then transfer it.

So, why not just save the $10 and go straight to download?

That's pretty much what every kid in America would say.

 

[Rumpleforeskin]

Oh man, I'm going to prison.
My nephew got an MP3 player for Christmas and I copied High School Musical to the computer, then moved the songs over to the player — a High School Musical-branded player.
He was very concerned about the FBI warning, but I told him it was okay since it was personal use, a concept I started to explain, but at 8 my nephew didn't much care.
I guess my concept of personal use was way off and I'm going to the big house.
Great.

You should be going to prison for having High School Musical.

 

[hondo]

I remember the record industry also said it was a crime to buy a CD, then sell it to a store that specializes in second-hand CDs, who then sell it for $5, with none of the money in that transactions going to the artist or record company.

That's despite the fact that if you buy an original painting or sculpture, then sell it, no one's going to threaten you with going to jail.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

I realize my logic is twisted, but here's how I'll play this one out:

-- I'm a criminal if I download music
-- I'm a criminal if I spend $10 on a CD and then transfer it.

So, why not just save the $10 and go straight to download?

Exactly.

I guess I can now sue all these music companies for saying all these years that they had been selling me these discs.

If I had known they were $15 rentals, I never would have touched them.

 

[JayFarrar]

Oh man, I'm going to prison.
My nephew got an MP3 player for Christmas and I copied High School Musical to the computer, then moved the songs over to the player ? a High School Musical-branded player.
He was very concerned about the FBI warning, but I told him it was okay since it was personal use, a concept I started to explain, but at 8 my nephew didn't much care.
I guess my concept of personal use was way off and I'm going to the big house.
Great.

You should be going to prison for having High School Musical.

It was his copy. I have some worry that his sexual orientation might be somewhat askew when he gets older, but I'm okay with that.
Apparently because of the High School Musical every kid — boy or girl — is enthralled with musicals, the singing, the dancing.
He's also really into basketball, soccer and football, along with the desire to go to dance class.

 

[Captain_Kirk]

I have the sudden urge to download/convert Fiona Apple's "Criminal" right now.

Followed by Judas Priest's "Breaking the Law".

 

[Football_Bat]

Oh man, I'm going to prison.
My nephew got an MP3 player for Christmas and I copied High School Musical to the computer, then moved the songs over to the player ? a High School Musical-branded player.
He was very concerned about the FBI warning, but I told him it was okay since it was personal use, a concept I started to explain, but at 8 my nephew didn't much care.
I guess my concept of personal use was way off and I'm going to the big house.
Great.

You should be going to prison for having High School Musical.

It was his copy. I have some worry that his sexual orientation might be somewhat askew when he gets older, but I'm okay with that.
Apparently because of the High School Musical every kid — boy or girl — is enthralled with musicals, the singing, the dancing.
He's also really into basketball, soccer and football, along with the desire to go to dance class.

Your nephew is Troy Aikman! </skip_bayless>

 

[Ronnie "Z-Man" Barzell]

It's a good thing for me that 95% of the stuff I've copied to my computer is from labels that aren't affiliated with the RIAA.

 

[PCLoadLetter]

I remember the record industry also said it was a crime to buy a CD, then sell it to a store that specializes in second-hand CDs, who then sell it for $5, with none of the money in that transactions going to the artist or record company.

That's despite the fact that if you buy an original painting or sculpture, then sell it, no one's going to threaten you with going to jail.

Exactly - and that was after they tried to convince us that home taping was a crime. Somewhere I still have the dust sleeve from an old LP that had an image of a cassette turned into a skull and crossbones and it said "Home taping is killing the music industry!"

Absolutely one of the worst-run industries ever. On the bright side, I firmly believe the record companies as we know them will cease to exist within 5 years. Can't happen soon enough.

 

[ARD]

RIAA not suing over CD ripping, still kinda being jerks about it

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/30/riaa-not-suing-over-cd-ripping-still-kinda-being-jerks-about-it/

Posted Dec 30th 2007 12:16PM by Nilay Patel
Filed under: Misc. Gadgets
Okay, so we've done some digging into the RIAA's lawsuit against Jeffery Howell, in which the industry is claiming that ripped MP3s are "unauthorized copies," and it turns out that Jeffery isn't actually being sued for ripping CDs, like the Washington Post and several other sources have reported, but for plain old illegal downloading. As we're all unfortunately aware, that's pretty standard stuff; the big change from previous downloading cases is the RIAA's newfound aggressiveness in calling MP3s ripped from legally owned CDs "unauthorized copies" -- something it's been doing quietly for a while, but now it looks like the gloves are off. While there's a pretty good argument for the legality of ripping under the market factor of fair use, it's never actually been ruled as such by a judge -- so paradoxically, the RIAA might be shooting itself in the foot here, because a judge wouldn't ever rule on it unless they argue that it's illegal. Looks like someone may end up being too clever for their own good, eh?

 

[ARD]

And from August at ars technica. Again, sounds like Kazaa was the problem:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070827-judge-sides-with-riaa-file-sharing-apps-lead-to-direct-infringement.html

Pamela and Jeffrey Howell were sued by the RIAA in 2006 for copyright infringement. The Howells decided to defend themselves against the charges and submitted a remarkably short answer to the RIAA's complaint. In it, the Howells argued that their file-sharing program was "not set up to share" and that the files found by MediaSentry were "for private use" and "for transfer to portable devices, that is legal for 'fair use.'" Their three-paragraph response was miniscule in comparison to those filed by file-sharing defendants with professional representation.

In his summary judgment, Judge Neil V. Wake dismissed the Howell's arguments and handed the RIAA $40,500 in statutory damages, $350 in court costs, and a permanent injunction against future copyright infringement by the Howells. "Several cases suggest that Kazaa users commit direct infringement by employing the Kazaa program to make their collections of copyrighted sound recordings available to all other Kazaa users," wrote Judge Wake, citing three other cases as well as Howell's deposition in which he admitted ownership of the Kazaa account in question.

 

[old_tony]

Everything on my iPod is from a CD I own. But there's a CD out of print that I can't find that is on that mininova site.

I guess my next question is this: Being a neophyte on technology, do I have to load this into my computer or will it go into my iTunes? And if I have to download it onto my desk top how do I get it into my iTunes and onto my iPod?

BTW, the album also was not available in the iTunes store.

Can anyone help with instructions?

 

[zeke12]

tony -- those sites Mizzou linked are for torrents, and are a lot more involved than downloading from iTunes.

Someone here can probably help you, though.