Hank Steinbrenner: Little Stein, Big...

[Dan Rydell]

It's gonna get ugly, dontcha think? Boss George was a tyrant for the first 22 years or so. Then Torre comes in and cools the place off for 12 years.

Now we've got Boss George's two sons, eager to take control and establish their power over everything, and maybe they have no better training/experience than Boss George had back in 1974.

This will not progress well. But it should be a hoot to watch.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

It'll get ugly, fast

If the top of the AL Central stays strong, and the Red Sox don't get smug, Bronx Cheers could easily miss the playoffs, next year.

 

[steveu]

The Bronx is Burning II, anyone?

OK, maybe not.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Uh, Hank,


Where exactly would you be without your daddy? Jus askin'

Where would you be without yours?

Nowhere, 'cept I -- unlike Hank -- didn't wake up on third base, thinking I'd hit a triple.

Lucky sperm club, indeed.

Is it any better to think you scratched out a walk, stole second and third when in reality you popped up? Delusional self importance is not uncommon or exclusive to the privileged.

 

[spnited]

Joel Sherman takes his shots at Hank:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10232007/sports/yankees/boss_son_needs_to_remember_the.htm

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

So, is Hank the new SportsJournalists.com Fredo?

Just askin'

1/20/09.
Then we can talk.

 

[JR]

Uh, Hank,


Where exactly would you be without your daddy? Jus askin'

Where would you be without yours?

Nowhere, 'cept I -- unlike Hank -- didn't wake up on third base, thinking I'd hit a triple.

Lucky sperm club, indeed.

Is it any better to think you scratched out a walk, stole second and third when in reality you popped up? Delusional self importance is not uncommon or exclusive to the privileged.

It's not delusional self importance in Hank's case.

He just comes across as a flaming asshole.

 

[hockeybeat]

Uh, Hank,


Where exactly would you be without your daddy? Jus askin'

Where would you be without yours?

Nowhere, 'cept I -- unlike Hank -- didn't wake up on third base, thinking I'd hit a triple.

Lucky sperm club, indeed.

Is it any better to think you scratched out a walk, stole second and third when in reality you popped up? Delusional self importance is not uncommon or exclusive to the privileged.

It's not delusional self importance in Hank's case.

He just comes across as a flaming asshole.

Hank Steinbrenner? A flaming asshole? You can't tell with quotes like these:

"Where was Joe's career in '95 when my dad hired him?" said the new Boss. "My dad was crucified for hiring him.

"Let's not forget what my dad did in giving him that opportunity - and the great team he was handed," Steinbrenner told The Post by phone from Tampa, Fla.

"You can't have the fans and media dictate what's a fair offer. The portrayal of this being a cold business decision is completely incorrect. This was a baseball decision."

"You can't take credit for success when you're going good, and then not take at least some of the blame when things change," Steinbrenner said. "I'm sorry he feels insulted, but that was not the intent."

Things change?

In twelve years in the Bronx, Torre's record was 1173 and 767, a .605 winning percentage. He managed the Yankees to 12 playoff berths, 10 division titles--including nine in a row from 1998-to-2006; five World Series appearances and four titles.

The only thing that changed was the appreciation--or lack thereof--for the job he did.

 

[D-3 Fan]

So, is Hank the new SportsJournalists.com Fredo?

Just askin'

1/20/09.
Then we can talk.

Just so you know, Fen, we know that you prefer it to be sooner than 1/20/09.

Problem is all of them don't have enough chutzpah to be Michael. ;D

 

[hockeybeat]

So, is Hank the new SportsJournalists.com Fredo?

Just askin'

1/20/09.
Then we can talk.

Just so you know, Fen, we know that you prefer it to be sooner than 1/20/09.

Problem is all of them don't have enough intelligence to be Michael. ;D

Including the current "leadership."

Oh, and fixed.

 

[D-3 Fan]

So, is Hank the new SportsJournalists.com Fredo?

Just askin'

1/20/09.
Then we can talk.

Just so you know, Fen, we know that you prefer it to be sooner than 1/20/09.

Problem is all of them don't have enough intelligence to be Michael. ;D

Including the current "leadership."

Oh, and fixed.

Oh, and that too. HB, Fen was referring to the current monkeys in the WH. You know he can't get through a day without copying and pasting about the latest stuff coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

It's in his blood. [/badMichaelCorleoneimpression]

 

[hockeybeat]

So, is Hank the new SportsJournalists.com Fredo?

Just askin'

1/20/09.
Then we can talk.

Just so you know, Fen, we know that you prefer it to be sooner than 1/20/09.

Problem is all of them don't have enough intelligence to be Michael. ;D

Including the current "leadership."

Oh, and fixed.

Oh, and that too. HB, Fen was referring to the current monkeys in the WH. You know he can't get through a day without copying and pasting about the latest stuff coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

It's in his blood. [/badMichaelCorleoneimpression]

I know. I was agreeing with F_B.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Hank sounds so much like his father -- a lot of bluster and tough talk . . .

Throwing weight around, rather than employing precise, detatched analysis.

What a cluck.

Best of luck, Yank fans.

It's great to have the loot, but you've got to be just a little smart about how to best-deploy it.

And relying on Tampa drunks isn't going to get it.

 

[BBJones]

In twelve years in the Bronx, Torre's record was 1173 and 767, a .605 winning percentage. He managed the Yankees to 12 playoff berths, 10 division titles--including nine in a row from 1998-to-2006; five World Series appearances and four titles.

With the talent and payroll the team had, and playing in a division that had no more than one other contending team for all 12 years, it could be argued Torre underachieved as a manager. Bobby Cox might disagree, of course, but still ...

I'd like to know what Torre's record would be if, say, he had managed the Pirates for the last 12 seasons. Probably something like 767-1163, no division titles, no World Series titles and 10 last-place finishes, possibly including nine in a row. It's not like football or basketball, where game-to-game, even quarter-to-quarter scheming and adjusting can make a big difference. In baseball, you're only as good as your talent. Torre had the best talent for 12 years. His results were as they should have been.

 

[JR]

Off we go into hypotheticalville again.

All the talent in the world doesn't guarantee a thing. You have to know how to MANAGE the talent --beyond just filling out a line-up card and knowing when to the bullpen.

Cito Gaston won back to back World Series in 92 and 93 because he knew how to handle all his stars' egos and not let them bang into each other.

And it doesn't matter what sport it is--you can have all the talent in the world and not have a team--just ask New York Rangers fans prior to the lockout.

 

[JC]

Off we go into hypotheticalville again.

All the talent in the world doesn't guarantee a thing. You have to know how to MANAGE the talent --beyond just filling out a line-up card and knowing when to the bullpen.

Cito Gaston won back to back World Series in 92 and 93 because he knew how to handle all his stars' egos and not let them bang into each other.

And it doesn't matter what sport it is--you can have all the talent in the world and not have a team--just ask New York Rangers fans prior to the lockout.

There are many who believe they won in spite of Cito gaston not because of him.
I agree with what your saying though I don't know how many people would have been able to manage egos as well as torre did.

 

[BBJones]

JR, I'm not seeking out confrontation here, as so many seem to do. But I respectfully disagree. Those Yankee teams would have been in 12 postseasons with or without Torre. Over 162 games, the cream indeed rises. Would they have won four title? Who knows. Bobby Cox is a damn good manager, but somehow luck seemed to bounce against him in October.

Postseason baseball can be a crapshoot at best. Torre's talent, you must admit, made it quite a bit easier for him. But that's just me, preaching from hypotheticalville.

 

[JR]

JR, I'm not seeking out confrontation here, as so many seem to do. But I respectfully disagree. Those Yankee teams would have been in 12 postseasons with or without Torre. Over 162 games, the cream indeed rises. Would they have won four title? Who knows. Bobby Cox is a damn good manager, but somehow luck seemed to bounce against him in October.

You have to be good to be lucky.

Torre has the results. Cox doesn't.

You can rationalize it all you want but to say that the Yankee teams would have all made the postseason without Torre is unprovable.

 

[BBJones]

As is saying they wouldn't have. But I think most would agree they would have. They were unchallenged most years.

 

[Gold]

Torre did a great job to get them to the playoffs this year.