Greg Doyel On Buzz Williams

[Boom_70]

Hope this is not a DB etc, etc.

Great column by Greg Doyel on Buzz Williams.

http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/24433916/humorous-antics-aside-marquette-coach-williams-is-a-positive-force-for-children

 

[cranberry]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

 

[BadgerBeer]

Good article and for me it shows clearly how we should not look at individuals in an either/or way. Buzz Williams clearly does some very good things and I believe that he truly cares for these young people and that he wants to make a difference. On the other hand I would not trust Buzz Williams as far as I could throw him. His recruiting practices can be shady and there have been some pretty ugly incidents under his watch and at least one was covered up by Buzz and others. I wonder how the young lady involved feels about Buzz.

 

[armageddon]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.

 

[cranberry]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.

I liked this column idea better than any of the ax-to-grind topics you suggest. College sports is a tough business.

 

[BadgerBeer]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.

I agree with the above but don't you think that he genuinely wants to do good by these kids? As I said, I would never trust Buzz, he seems slimy and I believe that he cheats, but like many of us, there is some good and some bad.

 

[Boom_70]

Always want so badly to read these stories and not see the other shoe drop,
but it always does.

 

[armageddon]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.

I liked this column idea better than any of the ax-to-grind topics you suggest. College sports is a tough business.

Then how about providing a bit of, you know, balance? Is Williams, like most of us, a complex individual who does wonderful things yet at times makes horrible decisions?

Ax to grind? Typical response for this place. Anyone who points out that a person (coach/writer/etc) has some serious flaws must have an agenda, an ax to grind.

College sports is a tough business? Being sexually assaulted, allegedly, is tougher. Having the leaders of the school you chose to attend do everything within their power to prevent the issue from reaching the police/DA is reprehensible.

 

[armageddon]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.

I agree with the above but don't you think that he genuinely wants to do good by these kids? As I said, I would never trust Buzz, he seems slimy and I believe that he cheats, but like many of us, there is some good and some bad.

I can't comment on his intentions with these kids. Whenever he has turned upside down the life of a player he deemed dispensable the comments have been a recording. Family. We love Player A. We'll do all we can to help him through this difficult transition.

The words there don't match the actions so I'm a bit suspicious.

 

[cranberry]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.

I liked this column idea better than any of the ax-to-grind topics you suggest. College sports is a tough business.

Then how about providing a bit of, you know, balance? Is Williams, like most of us, a complex individual who does wonderful things yet at times makes horrible decisions?

Ax to grind? Typical response for this place. Anyone who points out that a person (coach/writer/etc) has some serious flaws must have an agenda, an ax to grind.

College sports is a tough business? Being sexually assaulted, allegedly, is tougher. Having the leaders of the school you chose to attend do everything within their power to prevent the issue from reaching the police/DA is reprehensible.

You should do these stories yourself instead of waiting for a national columnist to swoop in and do them for you.

Doyel's was a very good column about a man who's investing a tremendous amount of time and passion to help special needs folks.

 

[Boom_70]

Geez by the end of this thread Doyel is going to want to
punch Buzz Williams in the face.

There is always "and now the rest of the story" element on SJ.

 

[armageddon]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.

I liked this column idea better than any of the ax-to-grind topics you suggest. College sports is a tough business.

Then how about providing a bit of, you know, balance? Is Williams, like most of us, a complex individual who does wonderful things yet at times makes horrible decisions?

Ax to grind? Typical response for this place. Anyone who points out that a person (coach/writer/etc) has some serious flaws must have an agenda, an ax to grind.

College sports is a tough business? Being sexually assaulted, allegedly, is tougher. Having the leaders of the school you chose to attend do everything within their power to prevent the issue from reaching the police/DA is reprehensible.

You should do these stories yourself instead of waiting for a national columnist to swoop in and do them for you.

Doyel's was a very good column about a man who's investing a tremendous amount of time and passion to help special needs folks.

And I should have handled Winston's case, too. One little problem. That isn't my beat. Nor is Marquette hoops.

But that doesn't disqualify me from noting Williams has some serious issues that can't be explained away with a wave of the hand and the cliche that college sports is a tough business.

I love writing these stories when appropriate. Love reading them, too. But I think we've all found it is important to step carefully. I know I have.

 

[armageddon]

Geez by the end of this thread Doyel is going to want to
punch Buzz Williams in the face.

There is always "and now the rest of the story" element on SJ.

I rarely post here so I'm not really part of any element.

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

This group could make a bride throw a beer bottle through a plate glass window on her wedding day.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Does every single story about a person need to mention every single thing that person has ever done, good or bad, alleged or proven? This is one column, maybe 1,000 words, tightly focused on one thing. It is a good thing. At no point do I read it and think that's the total picture of the man, but he shows an unusual level of commitment to this cause.

 

[Boom_70]

Geez by the end of this thread Doyel is going to want to
punch Buzz Williams in the face.

There is always "and now the rest of the story" element on SJ.

I rarely post here so I'm not really part of any element.

Hey not slamming you. Just marveling that SJ always seems to deliver
the rest of the story, many times in a way that folks were not expecting.

 

[D-3 Fan]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.

I agree with the above but don't you think that he genuinely wants to do good by these kids? As I said, I would never trust Buzz, he seems slimy and I believe that he cheats, but like many of us, there is some good and some bad.

...and your point is???


Newbie, this isn't a new story. College sports, recruiting in general, is a cutthroat business. To say that Williams is a "cheater" is basically saying the same thing about Coach K, Bob McKillop at Davidson, et al.

There is nothing wrong with doing the right thing in the community, and willing to whack a fellow league coach at the knees to get a top recruit. Everyone does it.

Everyone, including you and me, can cultivate a personality on the front end, and hide a completely different one behind the curtains.

 

[BadgerBeer]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.

I agree with the above but don't you think that he genuinely wants to do good by these kids? As I said, I would never trust Buzz, he seems slimy and I believe that he cheats, but like many of us, there is some good and some bad.

...and your point is???


Newbie, this isn't a new story. College sports, recruiting in general, is a cutthroat business. To say that Williams is a "cheater" is basically saying the same thing about Coach K, Bob McKillop at Davidson, et al.

There is nothing wrong with doing the right thing in the community, and willing to whack a fellow league coach at the knees to get a top recruit. Everyone does it.

Everyone, including you and me, can cultivate a personality on the front end, and hide a completely different one behind the curtains.

Does every coach cover for his players when they rape a young woman and keep them on his team? I wonder how the young lady that had her life ruined feels about Saint Buzz? I tend to remember Alford getting crucified over the Pierre Pierce story. As far as "my point", Buzz Williams is a scumbag and a total **** and it pisses me off to see people worshipping a man that has hurt so many people. In fact , this type of thing just enables a bully, the school President and AD "resigned" because they had the audacity to challenge Buzz to have some control over his program. Now, with all that being said, I do believe that he cares about those kids, hence my initial post.

 

[cranberry]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.

I agree with the above but don't you think that he genuinely wants to do good by these kids? As I said, I would never trust Buzz, he seems slimy and I believe that he cheats, but like many of us, there is some good and some bad.

...and your point is???


Newbie, this isn't a new story. College sports, recruiting in general, is a cutthroat business. To say that Williams is a "cheater" is basically saying the same thing about Coach K, Bob McKillop at Davidson, et al.

There is nothing wrong with doing the right thing in the community, and willing to whack a fellow league coach at the knees to get a top recruit. Everyone does it.

Everyone, including you and me, can cultivate a personality on the front end, and hide a completely different one behind the curtains.

Does every coach cover for his players when they rape a young woman and keep them on his team? I wonder how the young lady that had her life ruined feels about Saint Buzz? I tend to remember Alford getting crucified over the Pierre Pierce story. As far as "my point", Buzz Williams is a scumbag and a total **** and it pisses me off to see people worshipping a man that has hurt so many people. In fact , this type of thing just enables a bully, the school President and AD "resigned" because they had the audacity to challenge Buzz to have some control over his program. Now, with all that being said, I do believe that he cares about those kids, hence my initial post.

There's a convicted rapist on his team?

 

[BadgerBeer]

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.

Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.

I agree with the above but don't you think that he genuinely wants to do good by these kids? As I said, I would never trust Buzz, he seems slimy and I believe that he cheats, but like many of us, there is some good and some bad.

...and your point is???


Newbie, this isn't a new story. College sports, recruiting in general, is a cutthroat business. To say that Williams is a "cheater" is basically saying the same thing about Coach K, Bob McKillop at Davidson, et al.

There is nothing wrong with doing the right thing in the community, and willing to whack a fellow league coach at the knees to get a top recruit. Everyone does it.

Everyone, including you and me, can cultivate a personality on the front end, and hide a completely different one behind the curtains.

Does every coach cover for his players when they rape a young woman and keep them on his team? I wonder how the young lady that had her life ruined feels about Saint Buzz? I tend to remember Alford getting crucified over the Pierre Pierce story. As far as "my point", Buzz Williams is a scumbag and a total **** and it pisses me off to see people worshipping a man that has hurt so many people. In fact , this type of thing just enables a bully, the school President and AD "resigned" because they had the audacity to challenge Buzz to have some control over his program. Now, with all that being said, I do believe that he cares about those kids, hence my initial post.

There's a convicted rapist on his team?

No.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-10-28/sports/ct-met-marquette-sex-cases-20111028_1_athletes-campus-security-sexual-assault-policies

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/132779248.html