Girls sue school system for allowing trans athletes to complete

[hondo]

Conn. high school girls file lawsuit arguing that allowing transgender athletes to compete is sex discrimination

Wonder where this ends. The fact remains is that you can identify as a girl or woman all you want. If you're biologically male, odds are high that you're inherently bigger, stronger and faster than females. I understand that trans people go through discrimination but should their rights come at the expense of a level playing field in athletics?

 

[hondo]

The Washington Post story:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...-suit-prevent-transgender-athletes-competing/

 

[jlee]

Serious issue, but ...

I love that the first quote is essentially “You’re costing us scholarships!” Trans teens are the new old white sports editors. Who would have thought?

 

[SoloFlyer]

Serious issue, but ...

I love that the first quote is essentially “You’re costing us scholarships!” Trans teens are the new old white sports editors. Who would have thought?

Yeah, we can talk about ethics and fairness, but when your initial complaint is about scholarships AND you align yourself with an anti-LGBTQ and anti-abortion lawyer group, it makes it hard not to think there's something more to this than just fairness.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

The name of the group putting on this suit is quite ironic, considering they’re attacking transgenders’ freedom.

 

[JimmyHoward33]

I think I posted this in another thread on the topic but the scholarship thing is really really stupid.

College coach X only cares about your time. Whether you finished first fourth fifth or twenty seventh at your state final is not relevant in any way shape or form.

 

[SoloFlyer]

I think I posted this in another thread on the topic but the scholarship thing is really really stupid.

College coach X only cares about your time. Whether you finished first fourth fifth or twenty seventh at your state final is not relevant in any way shape or form.

Exactly. If Usain Bolt is in your same class and you finish second every race, doesn't matter. If you've still got a good enough time, they'll recruit you.

Inverse is true, too. Parents don't understand why Johnny Quarterback isn't getting recruited after he threw for 3,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. Well, if he's 5-foot-10 in a spread offense where all he does is throw five-yard slants against ****ty competition, it's not that impressive. College coaches look at the whole picture, not just stats or results.

 

[HanSenSE]

Just gotta get some write ups in the paper. That will get you a scholarship.

 

[Scout]

I want to see a 212 pound MMA fighter say they identify as a woman and then have these people watch that person beat the hell out of a female MMA fighter.

Call you Sue? **** with me? Take sex Ed with me? Share a locker room? **** it. Why not? No biggie.

Steamroll a female on the way the goal or basket? No.

 

[hondo]

I think I posted this in another thread on the topic but the scholarship thing is really really stupid.

College coach X only cares about your time. Whether you finished first fourth fifth or twenty seventh at your state final is not relevant in any way shape or form.

How about looking at this from a purely competitive sense. Don't worry about scholarships or championships. A biological male woke up one day and decided to identify as female. I'm not even saying it was for athletic reasons. But somewhere along the line, that person decided to compete against biological girls. It goes against basic fairness. Identifying as a male or female doesn't make you a biological male or female.

 

[Alma]

The lawsuit centers on senior transgender runners Andraya Yearwood of Cromwell High and Terry Miller of Bloomfield, who made national headlines after finishing first and second in the 55-meter dash at the state indoor track championships last winter. Last spring, Miller won the 200-meter dash and was part of the first-place 4x400-meter relay team at the state outdoor championships. Yearwood and Miller have won a combined 15 state titles in different events.

 

[JimmyHoward33]

How about looking at this from a purely competitive sense. Don't worry about scholarships or championships. A biological male woke up one day and decided to identify as female. I'm not even saying it was for athletic reasons. But somewhere along the line, that person decided to compete against biological girls. It goes against basic fairness. Identifying as a male or female doesn't make you a biological male or female.

im not saying its fair. I dont know what the answer is. I dont think state high school athletic associations are equipped to grapple with these kinda things, either.

but if kids or parents think this is costing them opportunities to run in college, they’re clueless.

it being messed up and also having 0 to do with college scholarships is not mutually exclusive

 

[Armchair_QB]

im not saying its fair. I dont know what the answer is. I dont think state high school athletic associations are equipped to grapple with these kinda things, either.

but if kids or parents think this is costing them opportunities to run in college, they’re clueless.

it being messed up and also having 0 to do with college scholarships is not mutually exclusive

The answer is to not let boys compete in girls’ sports. It’s pretty ****ing simple.

 

[HanSenSE]

Not an expert at all in this, but it seems like it's a little more complex than an athlete waking up the day of the regional meet and saying they identify as female that day, isn't it?

I know we had a topic a few years back on a trans male-to-female basketball player at a juco in California. They played in a tournament where I was working and, when preparing my preview capsules, I Googled the name and found the backstory. Soon followed by me thinking "how the hell do I explain this? Jane Smith, formerly known as Joe Smith, leads Podunk College with 20 points and 15 rebounds per game?"

 

[SoloFlyer]

How about looking at this from a purely competitive sense. Don't worry about scholarships or championships. A biological male woke up one day and decided to identify as female. I'm not even saying it was for athletic reasons. But somewhere along the line, that person decided to compete against biological girls. It goes against basic fairness. Identifying as a male or female doesn't make you a biological male or female.

Yes, these men and women go through surgery, bouts of depression and anxiety, intensive hormone therapy, and possibly ostracization from friends and families, all to win a high school track meet.

FOH.

 

[SoloFlyer]

Not an expert at all in this, but it seems like it's a little more complex than an athlete waking up the day of the regional meet and saying they identify as female that day, isn't it?

I know we had a topic a few years back on a trans male-to-female basketball player at a juco in California. They played in a tournament where I was working and, when preparing my preview capsules, I Googled the name and found the backstory. Soon followed by me thinking "how the hell do I explain this? Jane Smith, formerly known as Joe Smith, leads Podunk College with 20 points and 15 rebounds per game?"

Generally speaking, if it's someone who is publicly known to have transitioned like Caitlyn Jenner, there's no need to reference their previous name. The Wachowskis (writers and directors of The Matrix films) are another example.

In your case, if it's the first time this woman has been mentioned in the paper since her transition and most readers know her by her former name, I think a clarifying line is OK. Maybe in some cases, if it's not public yet - and it sounds like your case was already public - you reach out to the individual somehow and check.

 

[HanSenSE]

Yes, these men and women go through surgery, bouts of depression and anxiety, intensive hormone therapy, and possibly ostracization from friends and families, all to win a high school track meet.

FOH.

Two words: Mike Penner.

 

[SoloFlyer]

Two words: Mike Penner.

Sadly, I had forgotten all about Mike Penner/Christine Daniels until just now.

Something like 40 percent of transgender adults and those who battle gender identity issues have attempted suicide, which I think is about nine or ten times higher than the normal societal average.

And people are worried about whether it's fair to let them play sports.

 

[Regan MacNeil]

Sadly, I had forgotten all about Mike Penner/Christine Daniels until just now.

Something like 40 percent of transgender adults and those who battle gender identity issues have attempted suicide, which I think is about nine or ten times higher than the normal societal average.

And people are worried about whether it's fair to let them play sports.

A_QB is still calling them boys. I thought we had at least settled that part, but, sadly, no.

 

[outofplace]

Sadly, I had forgotten all about Mike Penner/Christine Daniels until just now.

Something like 40 percent of transgender adults and those who battle gender identity issues have attempted suicide, which I think is about nine or ten times higher than the normal societal average.

And people are worried about whether it's fair to let them play sports.

Part of the issue is where do you draw the line. Does the person have to have gender reassignment surgery from male to female to complete as a female? Do they have to go through hormone treatment? Do they just have to identify as female and live as one?

Sometimes, you have to deal with the problem in front of you. In this case, the problem is whether it is fair or not to let them play sports as females.

I honestly don't know the right answer, but anybody who thinks it is simple or too trivial to care about given the larger issues some of these people face is not seeing the entire picture.

To answer your point, does a person get to compete with an unfair and illegal advantage just because that person's life is extremely difficult in other areas?