Fredo's Biggest Lie...Ever!

[Fenian_Bastard]

No mention of Neil Bush, Sex Machine on Chris's list, either.

 

[jgmacg]

Fantasy:

I must say, I'm a little envious. If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed. It must be exciting for you … in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You're really making history, and thanks.


Reality:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/magazine/24afghanistan-t.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=%2522Elizabeth+Rubin%2522+Afghanistan&st=nyt&oref=slogin

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

Edify me Fenian - what lies did the Swift Boat Vets tell about John Kerry?

Are you saying Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia story he told on the Senate floor is true? Kerry really does have a magic hat? In my heart I know you're funny.

 

[BTExpress]

what lies did the Swift Boat Vets tell about John Kerry?

You do not want to go there.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/05/27/washington/20060528_KERR_GRAPHIC.html

 

[DemoChristian]

Edify me Fenian - what lies did the Swift Boat Vets tell about John Kerry?

Are you saying Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia story he told on the Senate floor is true? Kerry really does have a magic hat? In my heart I know you're funny.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250002
http://www.publicchristian.com/index.php?p=115
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0824-14.htm
http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=449
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13628.html

 

[D-Backs Hack]

what lies did the Swift Boat Vets tell about John Kerry?

You do not want to go there.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/05/27/washington/20060528_KERR_GRAPHIC.html

Dated May 27, 2006, as the ultra-liberal NYT decides this information would be useful to voters 18 months after the election.

 

[jgmacg]

Chris: Of these three - George H.W. Bush, John Kerry, George W. Bush - which two actually shipped out to a war zone in time of war? Your moralizing jiu-jitsu begins and ends there. And I'll give you extra credit for not invoking Bill Clinton - the only other American president of whom you've ever heard, apparently - in your answer.

 

[BTExpress]

Dated May 27, 2006, as the ultra-liberal NYT decides this information would be useful to voters 18 months after the election.

To be fair . . . most of the evidence came from Kerry, and he did not begin meticulously exposing all the lies until after the election. He really did not have time in the three months before the election. And he spent half that time going back and forth as to whether he should hit back or just do nothing. Neither the NYT nor anyone else was going to be able to debunk the Swift Boat Liars so effectively before the election. The blindsided attack came early enough to affect the election, but late enough as to prevent anyone from exposing the lies. Another feather in the GOP's cap.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Hey, anyone who has the confidence in Fredo to want to go to war under his leadership, be our guest. They'll be delighted to see you, at the recruiting office. You want two tours, three, or four?

Ciao.

 

[The Big Ragu]

Chris: Of these three - George H.W. Bush, John Kerry, George W. Bush - which two actually shipped out to a war zone in time of war? Your moralizing jiu-jitsu begins and ends there. And I'll give you extra credit for not invoking Bill Clinton - the only other American president of whom you've ever heard, apparently - in your answer.

Not taking up Chris' cause, because I think this is a dumb-as-**** debate. But didn't George H.W. Bush serve in WWII combat?

 

[D-Backs Hack]

“I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes." -- George W. Bush on why he joined the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War, 1990

My hero.

 

[jgmacg]

BR: My point exactly.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Off-topic: What does that sidesaddle represent, Ragu?

 

[The Big Ragu]

BR: My point exactly.

JG, I misread. I thought you said one, when you said two. I knew Kerry had served in Vietnam. Was pretty sure Bush Sr. had in WWII. Sorry bout that.

Dooley, No idea what the sidesaddle represents. I like to think it's a visual representation of man's inability to keep the moral law. But maybe it's just a really, really sad (and possibly hungry) little kid.

 

[The Big Ragu]

Dooley, Serious answer... Photographer's name is Jill Greenberg. The photo was entitled "The Truth." It was part of an exhibit of photos of kids a few years ago. I think she wanted to make the point that our kids are ****ed: it was a statement about the religious right, the current administration, our attitudes toward the environment, etc. Honestly, though, I just like her photos.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Chris: Of these three - George H.W. Bush, John Kerry, George W. Bush - which two actually shipped out to a war zone in time of war? Your moralizing jiu-jitsu begins and ends there. And I'll give you extra credit for not invoking Bill Clinton - the only other American president of whom you've ever heard, apparently - in your answer.

Not taking up Chris' cause, because I think this is a dumb-as-**** debate. But didn't George H.W. Bush serve in WWII combat?

Yep. Fighter pilot.
Oops, my father would be pissed.
Naval aviator.
I believe that he lied about his age to enlist, although I could be misremebering that part.
No problem with Poppy's attitude toward public service, except that he lied his ass off about Iran-Contra.

 

[Yawn]

What are you guys going to ***** about when Che, who is now turning her attention to the superdelegates, blows your party into a full-blown race riot and a divisiveness not seen since red-blue? McCain will then bring in a black running mate and your chances of victory in November are as ****ed as Spitzer's babe.

 

[The Big Ragu]

This is a joke, right? Where's Allen Funt?

 

[Yawn]

I can't wait for Denver and the looks of WTF? by you leftistas.

 

[The Big Ragu]

Tamen nostra etiam leftitas.