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dooley_womack1
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I have proposed a 16-team playoff that would give the big-money conferences an edge, but not a stranglehold:
--Champions of the six BCS conferences and the Mountain West.
--Winner of play-in game between champs of WAC and Sun Belt
--Winner of play-in game between champs of MAC and C-USA
--Seven at-large teams, picked by a selection committee.
Given that almost all the at-large teams would be from BCS conferences, it would be like the men's tourney: the powerhouses can be expected to dominate, but there would be room for Cinderella stories. And such a playoff would make the NCAA hoops tourneys seem penny ante, money-wise.
--Champions of the six BCS conferences and the Mountain West.
--Winner of play-in game between champs of WAC and Sun Belt
--Winner of play-in game between champs of MAC and C-USA
--Seven at-large teams, picked by a selection committee.
Given that almost all the at-large teams would be from BCS conferences, it would be like the men's tourney: the powerhouses can be expected to dominate, but there would be room for Cinderella stories. And such a playoff would make the NCAA hoops tourneys seem penny ante, money-wise.
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The resistance to a football playoff by college presidents and conference commissioners has nothing to do with cheapening the regular season, players missing class, etc.
It has everything to do with not wanting the NCAA to be in control of the money.
Now that that's been established, feel free to carry on.
It has everything to do with not wanting the NCAA to be in control of the money.
Now that that's been established, feel free to carry on.
dooley_womack1
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Just testing to see if you had me on the button. 
dooley_womack1
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Of course, some people seem to be living in the world that existed before the limit on scholarships.
dooley_womack1
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Cowbell, you get off Zag's log-on immediately!
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One thing I will say -- if the rankings are going to determine **** and the "regular season" matters because it serves as a 12-week elimination.......
Why aren't the top seven teams right now (seven weeks into the season.....)
Alabama
Florida
Texas
Boise State
Cincy
Iowa
TCU
Seriously - none of those teams have lost yet, why are they not the first seven?
Oh that's right, I forgot, because the rankings are a silly, subjective, bull**** way to determine who gets to play for a title.....
Why aren't the top seven teams right now (seven weeks into the season.....)
Alabama
Florida
Texas
Boise State
Cincy
Iowa
TCU
Seriously - none of those teams have lost yet, why are they not the first seven?
Oh that's right, I forgot, because the rankings are a silly, subjective, bull**** way to determine who gets to play for a title.....
crimsonace said:
I disagree. An 8 team playoff, automatic bids to the champ of the six BCS conferences plus two at large bids. Rotate the major bowls as the venues for the playoff games, and keep all the other bull**** bowls the same way they are now. That way the bowl people get to stay in business AND we finally get a playoff and legitimate championship.
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Stoney said:
Got to include berths for all 11 Division I conferences. Otherwise, it's not a true national championship. And if I'm one of those conferences and the newly formed tournament excludes me, I'm teaming up with the other excluded conferences for a big-time lawsuit.
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If you're Iowa State or Minnesota or Arizona or Kentucky or any other mid-pack BCS school, why would you vote to implement a system you don't have a hope in hell of qualifying for?
Also, if you think a playoff system that doesn't include all 11 conference champions would happen then you clearly don't know one ****ing thing about how the NCAA operates.
Also, if you think a playoff system that doesn't include all 11 conference champions would happen then you clearly don't know one ****ing thing about how the NCAA operates.
Oz said:
And they'd quickly lose that lawsuit. There's no rule or legal authority declaring that every conference is entitled to a spot. The basketball tournament once didn't give a birth to evey conference and nobody sued or claimed they were so entitled.
A great non BCS team would still have a way into the 8 team tournament--go undefeated and earn one of the two at large spots. It might not be a perfect format, but it'd be a helluva lot more inclusive and better than what we have now.
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There's no problem with a 16-team field. It's what they use for FCS, and it all works fine. That still leaves about 40 bowl-eligible teams, and we cut the number of bowls down to 20.
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Michael_ Gee said:
The number of bowls will be cut to 0 if the NCAA goes to a playoff system.
Armchair_QB said:
That's why you leave the bowls as they are (except, as already mentioned, you'd cut about 10 of them). They'd be like an NIT of sorts, and for programs like Kentucky and Iowa State and Minnesota, they'd still be a pretty good achievement. Kentucky fans don't expect to win national titles in football. That's why the argument for "there are too many bowls" falls on deaf ears so many times. Teams like Kentucky enjoy getting to play the extra game, plus it allows them an extra month of practice and a guaranteed game on national TV. Winning three straight bowl games has done wonders for the Kentucky program, even if they were horse**** bowls.
Cut the highest level of college football in half and that solves a lot of problems. The biggest problem is that it's almost impossible to declare a true champion in a league with 120 teams that only play twelve regular season games each.
The 65 team tournament for the DI basketball tournament is silly as well. There are multiple teams in the tournament every year that wouldn't come close to approaching .500 in a power basketball conference.
The 65 team tournament for the DI basketball tournament is silly as well. There are multiple teams in the tournament every year that wouldn't come close to approaching .500 in a power basketball conference.
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Crash said:
There will be no bowl system if a playoff is implemented. The NIT comparison is not valid.
If the NCAA runs a playoff, all the conference champions will be invited, at least to play in. The 16-team format -- 11 conference winners and five at-larges -- is the fairest, easiest and most logical.
And Steak Snabler hit it right between the eyes regarding the resistance to a playoff. It isn't that a playoff wouldn't make as much money as the current system -- done right, it could certainly make more. But the big schools don't want to share the bucks with the Arkansas States and Louisiana Techs of the world, amd if the NCAA takes over with a playoff, the little guys will get a cut. It's about who controls the money. Right now, that's the BCS conferences, and they aren't about to give that up to the NCAA without a fight.
And Steak Snabler hit it right between the eyes regarding the resistance to a playoff. It isn't that a playoff wouldn't make as much money as the current system -- done right, it could certainly make more. But the big schools don't want to share the bucks with the Arkansas States and Louisiana Techs of the world, amd if the NCAA takes over with a playoff, the little guys will get a cut. It's about who controls the money. Right now, that's the BCS conferences, and they aren't about to give that up to the NCAA without a fight.
A_QB: Why not?
Why can the bowls not exist exclusive from the playoff? If you're going to make a case for a 16-team tournament, there better be some postseason incentive for the lower-end BCS teams, or else the popularity of college football is going to plummet. No one at Kentucky, Iowa State or Minnesota will give two ****s about the football season if there isn't some incentive at the end.
Why can the bowls not exist exclusive from the playoff? If you're going to make a case for a 16-team tournament, there better be some postseason incentive for the lower-end BCS teams, or else the popularity of college football is going to plummet. No one at Kentucky, Iowa State or Minnesota will give two ****s about the football season if there isn't some incentive at the end.
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